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Old 08-08-2021, 05:51 AM
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Are the mandatory retirements on Alaska's main APC page correct? I was running a rough calculation of seniority movement based on that versus current pilot group size and it looks like it will take almost 20 years to make it to 50% seniority. That's astronomically higher than everywhere else. I know there's a lot of variables, but surely those numbers need to be updated? The only thing that would change that is if you guys have very high attrition of relatively senior pilots.
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Old 08-08-2021, 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by arbalist1
Are the mandatory retirements on Alaska's main APC page correct? I was running a rough calculation of seniority movement based on that versus current pilot group size and it looks like it will take almost 20 years to make it to 50% seniority. That's astronomically higher than everywhere else. I know there's a lot of variables, but surely those numbers need to be updated? The only thing that would change that is if you guys have very high attrition of relatively senior pilots.
im not sure it’s perfectly accurate but it’s close, Alaska is not a place you come and expect any sort of quick movement up the seniority list.
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Old 08-08-2021, 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by arbalist1
Are the mandatory retirements on Alaska's main APC page correct? I was running a rough calculation of seniority movement based on that versus current pilot group size and it looks like it will take almost 20 years to make it to 50% seniority. That's astronomically higher than everywhere else. I know there's a lot of variables, but surely those numbers need to be updated? The only thing that would change that is if you guys have very high attrition of relatively senior pilots.
I'm not aware of an 'official' seniority calculator, but a pilot made their own seniority calculator after the merger. Based on data from early this year, looking only at mandatory retirements, the most junior pilot on the list today would reach 50% in late 2037.

AS retirement numbers are relatively small for the current decade and will pick up to somewhere in the ~90-130/year range beginning in 2029. That looks to be when someone would see movement not related to growth. In the mean time I imagine the replacement of the Airbus fleet with 737s will slow things down for pilot progression.

What else will happen to the industry between now and then?
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Old 08-08-2021, 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by arbalist1
Are the mandatory retirements on Alaska's main APC page correct? I was running a rough calculation of seniority movement based on that versus current pilot group size and it looks like it will take almost 20 years to make it to 50% seniority. That's astronomically higher than everywhere else. I know there's a lot of variables, but surely those numbers need to be updated? The only thing that would change that is if you guys have very high attrition of relatively senior pilots.
I put updated numbers in post #4876 of this thread.
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Old 08-08-2021, 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by ImperialxRat
Here is an updated list of our retirements for the next 10 years. This was taken from the Feb seniority list
2021 - 11

2022 - 38

2023 - 47

2024 - 56

2025 - 79

2026 - 72

2027 - 97

2028 - 79

2029 - 106

2030 - 79

2031 - 91

For those wondering…
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Old 08-08-2021, 08:49 AM
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Our “big” years we retire around 3-3.5% of the list assuming we stay around 3000 pilots vs the Big 3 that retire 5-6% a year.
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Old 08-08-2021, 01:28 PM
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Are the REILs included in those numbers?

Thats about 135 that will drop out on Oct 1, 2022.
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Old 08-08-2021, 06:48 PM
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Are the REILs included in those numbers?

Thats about 135 that will drop out on Oct 1, 2022.
I took it from the Feb list, so I don’t think so. Nice to get 135 out on Oct 01, and the flip side means those numbers will actually look even smaller to a potential new hire pilot.
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Is the most recent seniority list counting those leaving on REIL?
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Old 08-08-2021, 11:52 PM
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Looks like 88 REILs on recent one.
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