Alaska Air Hiring
03-18-2019, 01:21 PM
#4072
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Joined APC: May 2017
Posts: 936
NewGuy? My heart breaks for you. Is that what you want to hear. Your life is so terrible, your job the worst. You will only make 90k, 140k, 155K, 165k over the next 4 years with another 15.5 going into your 401k. And that is a worst case (no new contract), with any luck (a healthy growing company), year 5 you will make at least 250k. I bet you are going to be ok. Yes, things could be better and they will if we all do our jobs.
The union knows what we want. They can only get this for you if this company is knocking it out of the park!
The union knows what we want. They can only get this for you if this company is knocking it out of the park!
Hope I haven’t offended you. But you’re really proving my point. There are two kinds of pilots at AS. Pre and post housing crisis. You pretty much solidly landed in the pre category with your latest post. But you seem like you’re being genuinely sincere so I’ll try and do the same.
You need to understand that when you were an FO 130$ an hour was a lot of money. But now it’s not. I know it sounds insane and as someone who grew up on the West Coast it sounds crazy to me as well.
Unless I move to Tacoma/Olympia or Bellingham I’m not going to be considered financially qualified by a lending institution to purchase a home as a single income, single person.
What we really need is a base in an affordable location. Since I’m not alone in finding housing in our 4 bases incredibly expensive I would likely be too junior to get in depending on the size of the base.
Until then I’m planning on a 8-10 year upgrade. Since that’s about what the math says at the 2-3% growth plan. Which is fine. But unless there is a dramatic change in housing costs that don’t get 200 FOs furloughed. I’ll likely be renting for life. Since I’m not big on driving in heavy traffic for 1-2 hrs at the start and end of nearly all of our trips.
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03-18-2019, 02:24 PM
#4073
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Joined APC: Apr 2016
Posts: 384
Hope I haven’t offended you. But you’re really proving my point. There are two kinds of pilots at AS. Pre and post housing crisis. You pretty much solidly landed in the pre category with your latest post. But you seem like you’re being genuinely sincere so I’ll try and do the same.
You need to understand that when you were an FO 130$ an hour was a lot of money. But now it’s not. I know it sounds insane and as someone who grew up on the West Coast it sounds crazy to me as well.
Unless I move to Tacoma/Olympia or Bellingham I’m not going to be considered financially qualified by a lending institution to purchase a home as a single income, single person.
What we really need is a base in an affordable location. Since I’m not alone in finding housing in our 4 bases incredibly expensive I would likely be too junior to get in depending on the size of the base.
Until then I’m planning on a 8-10 year upgrade. Since that’s about what the math says at the 2-3% growth plan. Which is fine. But unless there is a dramatic change in housing costs that don’t get 200 FOs furloughed. I’ll likely be renting for life. Since I’m not big on driving in heavy traffic for 1-2 hrs at the start and end of nearly all of our trips.
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You need to understand that when you were an FO 130$ an hour was a lot of money. But now it’s not. I know it sounds insane and as someone who grew up on the West Coast it sounds crazy to me as well.
Unless I move to Tacoma/Olympia or Bellingham I’m not going to be considered financially qualified by a lending institution to purchase a home as a single income, single person.
What we really need is a base in an affordable location. Since I’m not alone in finding housing in our 4 bases incredibly expensive I would likely be too junior to get in depending on the size of the base.
Until then I’m planning on a 8-10 year upgrade. Since that’s about what the math says at the 2-3% growth plan. Which is fine. But unless there is a dramatic change in housing costs that don’t get 200 FOs furloughed. I’ll likely be renting for life. Since I’m not big on driving in heavy traffic for 1-2 hrs at the start and end of nearly all of our trips.
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AS. DAL/8. SWA
93. 92. 82
130. 141. 118
143. 164. 132
None of those rates have you buying in Downtown Seattle.
03-18-2019, 02:48 PM
#4074
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Joined APC: Apr 2016
Posts: 384
I want every New FO here to have a great career. I want to laugh, drink beer, and enjoy our layovers together. I want you all to have quick upgrades and I want our company to do very well. No FO is going to make Queen Anne in Sea or Russian Hill in Sfo money. No FO at any Airline makes that kind of money. Very very few people do and many of those still bought at good times.
03-18-2019, 03:46 PM
#4075
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Joined APC: May 2017
Posts: 936
Fair enough. You are making a choice though. Downtown Seattle to SeaTac can be 40 minutes or more too. I fly with New FO’s first year pay buying homes in Gig Harbor, Puyallup, Bonney Lake, Lacey. In fairness I think the Gig Harbor guy was second year. New FO’s are buying homes 45 minutes from the airport. They are not buying them in Queen Anne or Clyde Hill though.
AS. DAL/8. SWA
93. 92. 82
130. 141. 118
143. 164. 132
None of those rates have you buying in Downtown Seattle.
AS. DAL/8. SWA
93. 92. 82
130. 141. 118
143. 164. 132
None of those rates have you buying in Downtown Seattle.
As much as the train would be a nice way to get to work, I’d never want to live downtown and I don’t currently. I’m talking about SE of the airport. I guess the only way I could convince you is to take my W2s down to the bank. But alas I tried... Anyway I’m buying the beer if I upgrade in 5 years :lol:
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03-18-2019, 04:57 PM
#4076
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Posts: 341
So I don’t get it... In another post you act like SWA is about to put Alaska out of business. Then here, our demands on strength. You know what you can do if you want a strong contract, and no it is not complain like a child on a anonymous forum. Do what the union wants you to do. Do your job, do it safely, do it really well. Don’t slow down, or produce a crappy product. Help this company produce that 15% ROE and then you can demand a better contract on strength. Struggling companies do not give out great contracts, strong companies are the only ones that can do that.
03-18-2019, 06:32 PM
#4077
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Joined APC: Nov 2006
Position: This side of the dirt.
Posts: 897
So I don’t get it... In another post you act like SWA is about to put Alaska out of business. Then here, our demands on strength. You know what you can do if you want a strong contract, and no it is not complain like a child on a anonymous forum. Do what the union wants you to do. Do your job, do it safely, do it really well. Don’t slow down, or produce a crappy product. Help this company produce that 15% ROE and then you can demand a better contract on strength. Struggling companies do not give out great contracts, strong companies are the only ones that can do that.
I will say this, I’d say 11 years of JD Power etc awards, with exceptional safety and on time performance combined with industry leading profit margins, for years and years, WITH a contract that saved money compared to our competitors, AND, with no lag during a contentious SLI,.... that’s a pretty solid hand of cards to lay on the table to start the conversation. IMO
03-18-2019, 08:35 PM
#4079
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Joined APC: Apr 2011
Position: Upright & Breathing
Posts: 319
Fair enough. You are making a choice though. Downtown Seattle to SeaTac can be 40 minutes or more too. I fly with New FO’s first year pay buying homes in Gig Harbor, Puyallup, Bonney Lake, Lacey. In fairness I think the Gig Harbor guy was second year. New FO’s are buying homes 45 minutes from the airport. They are not buying them in Queen Anne or Clyde Hill though.
AS. DAL/8. SWA
93. 92. 82
130. 141. 118
143. 164. 132
None of those rates have you buying in Downtown Seattle.
AS. DAL/8. SWA
93. 92. 82
130. 141. 118
143. 164. 132
None of those rates have you buying in Downtown Seattle.
03-18-2019, 09:03 PM
#4080
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Joined APC: May 2018
Posts: 1,233
Agree 100% brother. Demonstrate exceptional value and then negotiate exceptional contract, in that order.
I will say this, I’d say 11 years of JD Power etc awards, with exceptional safety and on time performance combined with industry leading profit margins, for years and years, WITH a contract that saved money compared to our competitors, AND, with no lag during a contentious SLI,.... that’s a pretty solid hand of cards to lay on the table to start the conversation. IMO
I will say this, I’d say 11 years of JD Power etc awards, with exceptional safety and on time performance combined with industry leading profit margins, for years and years, WITH a contract that saved money compared to our competitors, AND, with no lag during a contentious SLI,.... that’s a pretty solid hand of cards to lay on the table to start the conversation. IMO
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