echelon

I'm not comparing them to "that one time," I'm comparing them to "that EVERY time."
EVERY time I was awarded a line prior to JCTE it was between 16 and 18 days off, somewhere between 80 and 90hrs, with most trips being commutable on at least one side. EVERY time I asked for specific days off, I got them, without having to sacrifice commutability. This was as a junior line holder.

Now, the lines I can hold with my seniority are 12-15 days off, nothing but 6am reports and 1130pm releases with few exceptions, or back to back redeye lines. And they're all 75hrs, so I'm never home now between working and commuting, AND I took a pay cut!

I certainly don't expect you of all people to step outside of your cozy, senior and living in base, bubble to learn what life is now like for the rest of your airline since you mostly go out of your way to make it clear that you don't care about anyone else, but for the other people on here, I'd suggest that everyone takes whatever opportunity presents itself to learn about how bad the schedules are now vs how much better they COULD be.

All Bizniz

They Are Really That Bad.

All Bizniz

Yes, it puzzles me why now with JCTE cutover, almost all the trips - and consequently the lines - have deteriorated (literally overnight).

Regardless of seniority, the overwhelming majority of the trips in the overwhelming majority of the lines start at '0' dark thirty and end at '0' dark thirty.

fifidriver

When it comes to the intelligence of the Ala5ka PNW passengers, it is something to be said. I have commuted all over the country for over 10 years on both 73/57 and Airbus series on various airlines and I have never heard as many negative comments from passengers regarding the Airbus as I have here in the past 6-8 months. There is certainly something in the water... Most passengers don't know the differences between the narrow body. Let's put this discussion to bed, both the 737 and the 320 suck comfort wise on a flight longer than 3 hours.

av8or

Add me to the “yep, really are that bad” column. Are they that bad if you’ve lived in Gig Harbor when it was affordable, and are senior enough in base that you can hold a 19 day off line of day trips, and sell off the days you don’t want? No. Are they bad by almost any other airline’s scheduling criteria YES. The Union’s own chart comparison shows it. (Not that you would bother reading the contract comparison email from the Union)

“I certainly don't expect you of all people to step outside of your cozy, senior and living in base, bubble to learn what life is now like for the rest of your airline since you mostly go out of your way to make it clear that you don't care about anyone else,“

I ABSOLUTELY expect him to!!! Anyone here with an “I got mine, screw you.” attitude is philosophically no different than management. The only difference is, I can totally respect it from them. That’s almost their job.

KnockKnock

But is it an intelligence issue? It may be bias of some sort but to say they must be dumb because their view doesn’t align with your view is a very far reach. I understand some on here are lashing out because they’re unhappy but it destroys any chance of seeing things through their eyes when they sink to such an absurd low as to attack the pax IQ. I agree, both airplanes are not meant for trancons or etops flights.

fifidriver

Sadly, some of the run-ins I had or witnessed with AS passengers can't be simply blamed on bias alone. When you are being yelled and cursed at by a Boeing retiree that you are f@%$#@ng with his pension by flying Airbuses for Alaska and/or making a flight attendant cry just because she is an ex-VA is no longer just a matter of bias but intelligence as well.

KnockKnock

Are those pax or employees? I don't want to start an us vs. them fight but unfortunately it's gone both ways. I've had two different FA's who've flow on the Bus and had very negative experiences. Both claim they we yelled at and treated like children. It's something no employee on either fleet should have to deal with at work. We're all better than this. It has nothing to do with intelligence and everything to do with civility.

KnockKnock

Are those pax or employees? I don't want to start an us vs. them fight but unfortunately it's gone both ways. I've had two different FA's who've flow on the Bus and each had very negative experiences. Both claim they we yelled at and treated like children. It's something no employee on either fleet should have to deal with at work. We're all better than this. It has nothing to do with intelligence and everything to do with civility.

fifidriver

I am talking about passengers. I have yet to have a negative experience with my Boeing FA's. If anything, I have been given a compliment how welcoming and understanding we are towards them trying to learning new equipment. If we have pilots on both sides who yell and treat others like children, these individuals should be dealt with right away. Shame on them! Unfortunately, there are always two sides to the story. Perhaps pro-standards should have been contacted.