Alaska Air Hiring
03-06-2018, 03:35 PM
#3054
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2016
Position: 737 tiller master
Posts: 288
Relax, no furloughs are in the near future unless there's a massive terrorist attack, in which case everyone is SOL. When the company furloughed in '06, it was a big mistake as they cut too deep. A few years later, Angle Lake actually admitted their mistake.
The first quarter loss will be another form of creative accounting. These guys are masters at it. They tell investors one thing and tell its employees another. These sort of games have been played for decades so everyone chill and focus. Angle Lake is prepping early for 2020.
This third string management team can't seem to follow through with the "smoothest merger" promise. I guess that's what happens when a company is suckered into grossly overpaying for a mediocre company. No offense/disrespect to ex-Virgin employees. VX had a great product but did not generate much revenue. At the end of the day, it's always about the $.
No one to blame but management, once again. Successful business model=taking care of 1) Employees 2) Customers, then 3) Share Holders/BOD. It is obvious that Angle Lake's model is upside down and outdated. BT and BM chose status quo while recklessly cracking the whip on their work horse. As the saying goes, "change or die". They love catchy phrases like "we are all pulling together" but are we really? I vote for a new logo aircraft with a dog sled, where the dogs are labeled "employees" with BT & BM sitting in the sled holding a big sack of $$$. It will be our "The suckers are pulling us to the bank" logo eskimo jet!
As for Angle Lake, either they will come out of this stronger than ever before or fail miserably and cash out. Either way, they win. Once again, the rest of us will helplessly watch this show from the sidelines and hope for the best. Sadly, most of us have seen this movie before more than once.
The first quarter loss will be another form of creative accounting. These guys are masters at it. They tell investors one thing and tell its employees another. These sort of games have been played for decades so everyone chill and focus. Angle Lake is prepping early for 2020.
This third string management team can't seem to follow through with the "smoothest merger" promise. I guess that's what happens when a company is suckered into grossly overpaying for a mediocre company. No offense/disrespect to ex-Virgin employees. VX had a great product but did not generate much revenue. At the end of the day, it's always about the $.
No one to blame but management, once again. Successful business model=taking care of 1) Employees 2) Customers, then 3) Share Holders/BOD. It is obvious that Angle Lake's model is upside down and outdated. BT and BM chose status quo while recklessly cracking the whip on their work horse. As the saying goes, "change or die". They love catchy phrases like "we are all pulling together" but are we really? I vote for a new logo aircraft with a dog sled, where the dogs are labeled "employees" with BT & BM sitting in the sled holding a big sack of $$$. It will be our "The suckers are pulling us to the bank" logo eskimo jet!
As for Angle Lake, either they will come out of this stronger than ever before or fail miserably and cash out. Either way, they win. Once again, the rest of us will helplessly watch this show from the sidelines and hope for the best. Sadly, most of us have seen this movie before more than once.
Last edited by Arctichicken; 03-06-2018 at 04:00 PM.
03-06-2018, 04:08 PM
#3055
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2010
Position: A320 CA
Posts: 241
Relax, no furloughs are in the near future unless there's a massive terrorist attack, in which case everyone is SOL. When the company furloughed in '06, it was a big mistake as they cut too deep. A few years later, Angle Lake actually admitted their mistake.
The first quarter loss will be another form of creative accounting. These guys are masters at it. They tell investors one thing and tell its employees another. These sort of games have been played for decades so everyone chill and focus. Angle Lake is prepping early for 2020.
This third string management team can't seem to follow through with the "smoothest merger" promise. I guess that's what happens when a company is suckered into grossly overpaying for a mediocre company. No offense/disrespect to ex-Virgin employees. VX had a great product but did not generate much revenue. At the end of the day, it's always about the $.
No one to blame but management, once again. Successful business model=taking care of 1) Employees 2) Customers, then 3) Share Holders/BOD. It is obvious that Angle Lake's model is upside down and outdated. BT and BM chose status quo while recklessly cracking the whip on their work horse. As the saying goes, "change or die". They love catchy phrases like "we are all pulling together" but are we really? I vote for a new logo aircraft with a dog sled, where the dogs are labeled "employees" with BT & BM sitting in the sled holding a big sack of $$$. It will be our "The suckers are pulling us to the bank" logo eskimo jet!
As for Angle Lake, either they will come out of this stronger than ever before or fail miserably and cash out. Either way, they win. Once again, the rest of us will helplessly watch this show from the sidelines and hope for the best. Sadly, most of us have seen this movie before more than once.
The first quarter loss will be another form of creative accounting. These guys are masters at it. They tell investors one thing and tell its employees another. These sort of games have been played for decades so everyone chill and focus. Angle Lake is prepping early for 2020.
This third string management team can't seem to follow through with the "smoothest merger" promise. I guess that's what happens when a company is suckered into grossly overpaying for a mediocre company. No offense/disrespect to ex-Virgin employees. VX had a great product but did not generate much revenue. At the end of the day, it's always about the $.
No one to blame but management, once again. Successful business model=taking care of 1) Employees 2) Customers, then 3) Share Holders/BOD. It is obvious that Angle Lake's model is upside down and outdated. BT and BM chose status quo while recklessly cracking the whip on their work horse. As the saying goes, "change or die". They love catchy phrases like "we are all pulling together" but are we really? I vote for a new logo aircraft with a dog sled, where the dogs are labeled "employees" with BT & BM sitting in the sled holding a big sack of $$$. It will be our "The suckers are pulling us to the bank" logo eskimo jet!
As for Angle Lake, either they will come out of this stronger than ever before or fail miserably and cash out. Either way, they win. Once again, the rest of us will helplessly watch this show from the sidelines and hope for the best. Sadly, most of us have seen this movie before more than once.
Same ****** here, different day...
03-06-2018, 05:52 PM
#3056
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2005
Posts: 8,927
Furloughs? If only there was a document that would stipulate what can happen to us during the merger process............
TPA
Section 7
A. Furlough. Alaska and Virgin America, and their successor or survivor, and AAG will provide the following furlough protection:
1) No Pilot will be placed on furlough, if at all, until the sooner of July 31, 2019 or one (1) year after the Operational Merger Date. This protection will also be included as a required term in the JCBA.
2) AAG, the Airline Parties, and ALPA agree to the Letters of Agreement attached to this TPA as Attachments C and D, to take effect on the Corporate Merger Closing Date.
3) An Airline Party shall be excused from compliance with Section 7.A.1 for the period of time that either a Circumstance Beyond an Airline Party’s Control causes it to reduce or cancel service, or a governmental agency requirement causes it to reduce or cancel service as a condition of approval of the transactions contemplated by the Corporate Merger Agreement, so long as the listed event is the cause of such non-compliance. “Circumstance Beyond an Airline Party’s Control” includes but is not limited to: an act of nature; an ongoing labor dispute; grounding or repossession of a substantial number of aircraft operated by the Airline Party by a government agency or court order; loss or destruction of the Airline Party’s aircraft; involuntary reduction in flight operations due either to a governmental action(s)/requirement(s) or to a decrease in available fuel supply or other critical materials for the Airline Party’s operations; revocation of an Airline Party’s operating certificate; war emergency; a terrorist act; or a substantial delay in the delivery of aircraft scheduled for delivery, provided that as to any of the above circumstances the applicable occurrence has a material and substantial impact on the Airline Party.
The phrase “Circumstance Beyond an Air line Party’s Control” does not include any economic or financial considerations including, but not limited to, the price of fuel, aircraft or other supplies, the cost of labor, the level of revenues, the state of the economy, the financial state of the Airline Party, or the relative profitability or unprofitability of the Airline Party’s then-current operations in the absence of the circumstances described in the preceding sentence.
TPA
Section 7
A. Furlough. Alaska and Virgin America, and their successor or survivor, and AAG will provide the following furlough protection:
1) No Pilot will be placed on furlough, if at all, until the sooner of July 31, 2019 or one (1) year after the Operational Merger Date. This protection will also be included as a required term in the JCBA.
2) AAG, the Airline Parties, and ALPA agree to the Letters of Agreement attached to this TPA as Attachments C and D, to take effect on the Corporate Merger Closing Date.
3) An Airline Party shall be excused from compliance with Section 7.A.1 for the period of time that either a Circumstance Beyond an Airline Party’s Control causes it to reduce or cancel service, or a governmental agency requirement causes it to reduce or cancel service as a condition of approval of the transactions contemplated by the Corporate Merger Agreement, so long as the listed event is the cause of such non-compliance. “Circumstance Beyond an Airline Party’s Control” includes but is not limited to: an act of nature; an ongoing labor dispute; grounding or repossession of a substantial number of aircraft operated by the Airline Party by a government agency or court order; loss or destruction of the Airline Party’s aircraft; involuntary reduction in flight operations due either to a governmental action(s)/requirement(s) or to a decrease in available fuel supply or other critical materials for the Airline Party’s operations; revocation of an Airline Party’s operating certificate; war emergency; a terrorist act; or a substantial delay in the delivery of aircraft scheduled for delivery, provided that as to any of the above circumstances the applicable occurrence has a material and substantial impact on the Airline Party.
The phrase “Circumstance Beyond an Air line Party’s Control” does not include any economic or financial considerations including, but not limited to, the price of fuel, aircraft or other supplies, the cost of labor, the level of revenues, the state of the economy, the financial state of the Airline Party, or the relative profitability or unprofitability of the Airline Party’s then-current operations in the absence of the circumstances described in the preceding sentence.
03-08-2018, 05:12 PM
#3057
New Hire
Joined APC: Mar 2018
Posts: 1
Hi everyone, i am looking to attens OBAP career fair in Vegas
To be able to speak to recruiters. However reading into this thread
I feel like it might be a long shot for me. Does any know what can i
Expect at OBAP? Do we get a chance to speak to an Alaska air recruiter? Is it a meet n greet? Is it an interview?
3200TT
2500 a320 (foreign air carrier experience)
A320 type
No degree
Thanks in advance!
To be able to speak to recruiters. However reading into this thread
I feel like it might be a long shot for me. Does any know what can i
Expect at OBAP? Do we get a chance to speak to an Alaska air recruiter? Is it a meet n greet? Is it an interview?
3200TT
2500 a320 (foreign air carrier experience)
A320 type
No degree
Thanks in advance!
03-08-2018, 06:14 PM
#3059
Prime Minister/Moderator
Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: Engines Turn Or People Swim
Posts: 40,205
Hi everyone, i am looking to attens OBAP career fair in Vegas
To be able to speak to recruiters. However reading into this thread
I feel like it might be a long shot for me. Does any know what can i
Expect at OBAP? Do we get a chance to speak to an Alaska air recruiter? Is it a meet n greet? Is it an interview?
3200TT
2500 a320 (foreign air carrier experience)
A320 type
No degree
Thanks in advance!
To be able to speak to recruiters. However reading into this thread
I feel like it might be a long shot for me. Does any know what can i
Expect at OBAP? Do we get a chance to speak to an Alaska air recruiter? Is it a meet n greet? Is it an interview?
3200TT
2500 a320 (foreign air carrier experience)
A320 type
No degree
Thanks in advance!
03-08-2018, 07:45 PM
#3060
Line Holder
Joined APC: Nov 2017
Position: Q400 Captain
Posts: 43
Hi everyone, i am looking to attens OBAP career fair in Vegas
To be able to speak to recruiters. However reading into this thread
I feel like it might be a long shot for me. Does any know what can i
Expect at OBAP? Do we get a chance to speak to an Alaska air recruiter? Is it a meet n greet? Is it an interview?
3200TT
2500 a320 (foreign air carrier experience)
A320 type
No degree
Thanks in advance!
To be able to speak to recruiters. However reading into this thread
I feel like it might be a long shot for me. Does any know what can i
Expect at OBAP? Do we get a chance to speak to an Alaska air recruiter? Is it a meet n greet? Is it an interview?
3200TT
2500 a320 (foreign air carrier experience)
A320 type
No degree
Thanks in advance!
I have hours similar to you (3000TT, 1500 121, B-757/767 and CL-65 types, working on my degree) and was told I needed 1000 TPIC at the NW Aviation Career Forum.
Wouldn't hurt to go speak to them anyway. At least, you can network and ask questions and stuff.
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