gloopy

The growth flying your company has planned will either come from legacy flying (far better jobs) or your company will fold. You want the first and I disagree. That reality is a lot harsher than your vitriol and emo-laden ad hominem attacks could ever be.

RJtrashPilot

Gloopy,

While non-informative and wildly imaginative, I find your posts a valuable source of entertainment and comic relief. I give you an A+ for effort.

You should moonlight as a freelance writer for the National Enquirer on your off days and overnights.

smackahoCEO

You truly are one ignorant guy. I think if you go back a while, you'd see that when RJ's entered the market, Delta pilots felt the planes were insignificant and "below them." April 28, 1993 the first CRJ flown by COMAIR. So using your growth theory then, you can take your "you stole our jobs" mentality and point the finger at yourself. I do not want increased RJ flying. Myself and many of my peers would like to end up on a mainline seniority list someday. So if you want to keep the jobs at your highly trained level, tighten up scope. Or at least stop relaxing it. I, like many others would like to get out of my Tonka jet and get on a mainline seniority list to fly with truly experienced aviators like yourself. Just give it a rest man.

ThrustMonkey

Ahhh right, the same tired drivel of "you fly an Airbus for RJ wages" that usually comes from the same tired, old, elitist mainline clowns who usually populate a few no-fly lists from their fellow aviators.

Keep sellin' out that scope there slick so a bit more scratch ends up in your ex wives pockets. Yea, real wise.

ShyGuy

gloopy is a Pinnacle pilot hoping the SSP works out for himself. Troll.

gloopy

Didn't say that. But your CA's make close to industry FO pay and the benefits (retirement contribution, etc) are significantly lower, and your FO's make around half of even that. Its not new, VX didn't invent it, its a well established "start up" pattern where ultra low fares are subsidized by labor and justified by rapid growth and seniority numbers that would take decades to get elsewhere.

gloopy

The irony right there, sir, was absolutely masterful.



Bravo. Bravo.

gloopy

Ah, a student of history. Well played.

You also therefore know the orgins of scope clauses as well as the interpretive battle between company scope (largely worthless) and holding company scope. You also know that long before the first Comair RJ arrived that majors could outsource those jets anyway and in fact much, much larger planes with various propultion systems. Many airlines today (JB, AS, VX, etc) are extremely vulnerable to what management can outsource whenever they want to. It wasn't that long ago that DL, NW and UAL were code sharing with regional Avros. DL just lowered the number of 76 seaters allowed to be outsourceed and cut the allowable number of airframes and block hours allowed to be outsourced from their pre merger peaks significantly. AA just fought off one of the most severe and credible scope threats imaginable (and it wasn't just "RJ's).

Progress is being made, and I agree more needs to be made. How about VX's scope clause. Even though they would never, ever, do that because management cares so very much about the brand that their "guests" fly on as well as their employee culture or whatever, what could they outsource if they really wanted to? Or is their scope clause limited to management's good graces?

As for the rest of what you said, we're in agreement. If you want to end up on a mainline legacy list some day, regionals need to shrink and pop up SJS LCC's are nothing anyone should truly "aspire to retire" from in the first place.

Rascal

Hello,

Just a quick thread drift... I took the assessment (IQ) test and I think that it went fairly well. After I submitted my answers I was given the option to take the personality test as well. Is this what others have been experiencing as well? I am wondering (hoping) that you get the personality test only if you did well on the IQ test.

PotatoChip

Everyone takes both. Sorry to disappoint you. I spoke with the HR Talent Acquisition manager about this at a job fair.

Good luck.