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03-25-2017, 05:10 PM

#2401

Riverside

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Originally Posted by echelon

But then wouldn't they need the pilots to fly them?

Vx has their pilots and AS has their pilots. Two separate pilot group.

03-25-2017, 05:12 PM

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Without going into details, the TPA protects VX pilots , stating that if buses are parked before SLI and no 737 spots it's yet available, you will stay home at full pay until a 73 spot opens .

03-25-2017, 05:24 PM

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echelon

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Originally Posted by Riverside

Vx has their pilots and AS has their pilots. Two separate pilot group.

I know that, but it seems to me that AS parking the busses would mean either 1. They are giving up all the airbus flying (in which case, why did they buy the airline?) or 2. They are planning to use AS pilots to cover it all, which would be impossible unless they hire as many pilots as are currently at VX, or 3. They would use the VX pilots.

3 seems like the only logical choice right? I'm confused, what am I missing...

03-25-2017, 05:29 PM

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SpecialEd

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Originally Posted by juventus

As far as getting off reserve in SFO , it all depends when you are hired and done with training, considering that about half of the pilot hiring for this year , it's done already, if you are at beginning of next half you'll be off reserve within a few months, otherwise it could be longer depending on 2018 hiring numbers. I'm not sure how many in the pool waiting for a class so hard to say. Good luck .

Awesome thanks for the info.

03-25-2017, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by juventus

Without going into details, the TPA protects VX pilots , stating that if buses are parked before SLI and no 737 spots it's yet available, you will stay home at full pay until a 73 spot opens .

Ah ok, I'm not familiar with this, what is the TPA and is it set in stone?

03-25-2017, 05:34 PM

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juventus

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It's the joint mec Alaska/Virgin negotiated Transition process agreement with Alaska Air group .

03-25-2017, 05:36 PM

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juventus

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And Yes it's binding document , that's why it took 7 plus months to negotiate.

03-26-2017, 06:00 AM

#2408

Bugaboo

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Originally Posted by juventus

And Yes it's binding document , that's why it took 7 plus months to negotiate.

No. The fact that it is a binding document is not why it took 7 months to negotiate. The reason is that AK mgt stalled and delayed at every possible meeting. Same thing is happening with the JCBA.

03-26-2017, 10:53 AM

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ShyGuy

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Originally Posted by Packrat

The only flaw in that theory is if AS decides to return the Bus when the leases expire before the SLI, VX pilots will be furloughed. Figure that into the equation.

The TPA spells everything out, the JCBA and SLI have fixed timelines. Both will be done a lot sooner than you might imagine. There are also labor/protections, and things like protection of block hours flown by each 737 fleet and A320 fleet pre-Apr 4 announcement and to maintain similar block hours for each fleet afterwards during this timeframe. I really have to give credit to the union guys on the TPA, it is a very thorough document with numerous protections and scenarios addressed.

If actions speak louder than words, their plan on retrofitting the entire Airbus fleet with new interiors and FC seats, saying it will pay off for itself before even the first lease expires in 2019. The final fleet plan comes out later this year, but from all accounts worse case scenario still seems to be operating Airbuses until their leases expire over 2019-2026. Airbuses will be flown for quite some time.

03-26-2017, 02:49 PM

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Reggie Dunlop

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Packrat

AS has more 737s on order than VX has Busses. They'll keep them until the leases expire then dump them. I imagine VX pilots will be offered the opportunity to bid for AS 737 positions once the SLI is hammered out.

Generally, people like this who know the least know it the loudest and most confidently.