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05-22-2014, 08:16 PM
#1141
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I'm surprised you don't mention Spirit at all. Virgin's current 53 planes has an end state of 93 by end of 2022. Spirit on the other hand is tripling its fleet by the end of 2022, going from about 55 now to 150ish. No longer is Spirit just doing the outside airports (Latrobe and not PIT for example). Now Spirit is invading major legacy hubs like DFW. Check out Dallas, Spirit has made a major base there and has tons of flights competing with AA. Even moreso than VX, Spirit is in your own words, "pure capacity dumping."
05-22-2014, 09:28 PM
#1142
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Its still 40 planes worth of (and likely more, force multiplied by a bunch of dual subsidized foreign code shares) of pure capacity dumping, fare trashing revenue shredders.
VX has the attention of the major players. They have a lot on their plate but will be addressing the endless upstart model in general soon enough.
VX has the attention of the major players. They have a lot on their plate but will be addressing the endless upstart model in general soon enough.
05-23-2014, 06:11 AM
#1144
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A quick look at Spirit's route map shows exactly where their new planes are going. If something doesn't work for them, they'll pull out in 3 months or even less (DFW-BOS for example). If you tell me Spirit is getting 67 airplanes in 6 years I would say yes that makes sense and that they have a market. But VX is a business oriented market airline and that means mostly transcons plus the business-rich communities of NY, DC, and Dallas. That is it. Where ya gonna go with 67 new planes?
05-23-2014, 06:17 AM
#1145
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You are saying 67 more aircraft in 6 years. That's nearly 1 airplane per month for 6 years nonstop. No freakin way LOL. I still ask the more obvious where are you gonna put 'em? Ok, we could restart ANC, PSP, PHL, SJC, SNA, YYZ, increase PDX, and add new Hawaii service but all that still equates to about 10 airplanes worth of flying. They are adamant against up/down east coast flying and we are only doing DAL because of the exclusiveness of it and DCA + LGA. These kinds of smart chess moves are done since there are no more divestures. Invade SFO/LAX to ATL? IAH? Delta would kick us out of ATL faster than they kicked JetBlue out from ATL-LGB.
A quick look at Spirit's route map shows exactly where their new planes are going. If something doesn't work for them, they'll pull out in 3 months or even less (DFW-BOS for example). If you tell me Spirit is getting 67 airplanes in 6 years I would say yes that makes sense and that they have a market. But VX is a business oriented market airline and that means mostly transcons plus the business-rich communities of NY, DC, and Dallas. That is it. Where ya gonna go with 67 new planes?
A quick look at Spirit's route map shows exactly where their new planes are going. If something doesn't work for them, they'll pull out in 3 months or even less (DFW-BOS for example). If you tell me Spirit is getting 67 airplanes in 6 years I would say yes that makes sense and that they have a market. But VX is a business oriented market airline and that means mostly transcons plus the business-rich communities of NY, DC, and Dallas. That is it. Where ya gonna go with 67 new planes?
05-23-2014, 09:10 AM
#1146
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Maybe I'm partial to SJC because I live here, but I think transcons out of SJC would have faired a lot better than LAX. It would've been a nice option for east coast pax during GDPs in SFO.
05-23-2014, 10:13 AM
#1147
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05-23-2014, 10:21 AM
#1148
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05-23-2014, 11:39 AM
#1149
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The demand for the service they provide is there. People love flying on VX where it's available. VX isn't going to take over any markets. Like a W hotel or Aloft; they're not going to blow out the other hotels, but people WILL go out of their way to stay there.
05-23-2014, 03:15 PM
#1150
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