AS/HA SLI Discussion
#81
From a union perspective preserving or improving pilots careers not at the cost of one pilot group taking from another this makes a lot of sense. Hawaiian pilots should be able to preserve their career expectation of flying widebodies with higher pay and coveted trips. Many gave up opportunities to fly narrow bodies to come to Hawaiian for early widebody access. Whatever that means for SLI to make that happen so be it. It shouldn’t be perceived as a negative for Alaska pilots that they don’t get to gain widebody positions at the cost of Hawaiian pilots. Everyone should be able to hold what they have or better in the end to be fair (even west coast based). Future fleet wide body/narrowbody ratio will cause Hawaiian pilots to suffer in the end anyways.
HA pilots granted better seniority to account for WB expectations, then...
a) Mainland resident HA pilots who are tired of the commute use their new seniority to come in on top of AS pilots in west coast bases. This is hypothetical of course but even 100-200 people would have a big impact. LAX is probably most concerning since that already got a big hit from VX integration.
AND/OR
b) Route/fleet consolidation, boeing failure to deliver, etc driven musical chairs.
For those reasons I tend to prefer a DOH-ish solution with fences. In this case we might want to deviate from the norm and fence all bases or fleets. To the extent that OG pilots get first crack at their original fleets and then remaining vacancies go to whoever.
Of course HA pilots can be legit concerned about AS pilots coming for their WB's, but the usual ALPA process is known to address that.
It's not up to me, but our MEC's will be polling us soon and I'll state my case then.
I don't recall any artificial nonrev priority, so I think it's by actual DOH. You'd have to do that, since other employee groups nonrev too and you can't give a pilot priority over other senior longevity employees because of some pilot-specific SLI.
#84
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This real question no is is asking: will WBs go to NH >2028? Also how will hiring stack up in the next 5-7 years? We are retiring a record number in 28-29. How is HAL looking like
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#85
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For any pilot hired after 12/3/23, yes that is a true statement as they will be integrated by DOH. If you looked at the TPA, and past arbitration awards, you would see that future orders are indeed considered. So, only any additional WB orders not already identified in the TPA are a career expectation of an AS pilot, regardless of when they are eventually delivered.
#86
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Please don’t fight. We need unity. And then when one side proposes 15% longevity and 85% relative, and the other side proposes 70% longevity and 30% relative, you’re still supposed to have unity and act lovey dovey.
Can’t wait to see the SLI proposals from both sides, while in the same breath telling us to maintain unity.
Can’t wait to see the SLI proposals from both sides, while in the same breath telling us to maintain unity.
#87
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Please don’t fight. We need unity. And then when one side proposes 15% longevity and 85% relative, and the other side proposes 70% longevity and 30% relative, you’re still supposed to have unity and act lovey dovey.
Can’t wait to see the SLI proposals from both sides, while in the same breath telling us to maintain unity.
Can’t wait to see the SLI proposals from both sides, while in the same breath telling us to maintain unity.
#88
Communicate to your reps.
#89
The wildcard variable is WB's... how much bonus seniority do HA pilots get, and what will they do with it when they get it?
Personally I would favor baseball style. Some arbitrators are actually prone to implement an informal baseball style, in that if you don't present something vaguely reasonable, he might punish you. But that's personality dependent.
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