AS/HA SLI Discussion
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#72
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DOH is fair. The only other argument that is "fair" for me is that HA takes a hit because their company was doomed. What will likely happen is that HA gets a "bump" because of WBs (as undeserved as it may be), and then takes a hit for their company's financial condition, and we'll arrive at something that resembles DOH anyway. I'm no SLI expert, but that's my gut feeling.
Did AS and VX go DOH? I wonder why not?
A widebody is a higher status and category than a 737. Its in ALPA Merger policy.
If AS puts their eggs in the "HA was doomed" its going to be a surprise when the arbitrators weight the WB planes higher and put fences up,
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Besides, who really cares about seniority until it's someone in your base, in your seat, on your equipment. If the 737 is as bad as you say, my spot should be pretty safe. You HA dudes think we want your WBs, when it's really we don't want you kicking us out of our bases. 10 year fence and done. lol.
Don't expect base fences. Its never been done by an arbitrator. Its always been equipment fences. 787s and A-330s will likely only be HA pilots for a long time regardless of where they are based.
Good luck.
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To answer your question yes. The senior Virgin pilots got hammered on relative seniority. l believe the number 1 Virgin pilot went to 6xx in the SLI. If you don't think the arbitrator isn't going to weigh the fact that Alaska is not the airline being saved then prepare to be disappointed.
Expect about relative seniority and 2 fence for widebodies.
Expect about relative seniority and 2 fence for widebodies.
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Relative seniority doesn't work because the fleets aren't relatively the same. Would you be ok with relative seniority if AS had a bunch of 787s and you merged with Spirit?
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You keep saying "bump". Are you talking about relative percentage? Well nowhere in ALPA merger policy is "relative percentage". DOH will be a factor for sure. Why not just got 1 for 1 until everyone is merged.
Did AS and VX go DOH? I wonder why not?
A widebody is a higher status and category than a 737. Its in ALPA Merger policy.
If AS puts their eggs in the "HA was doomed" its going to be a surprise when the arbitrators weight the WB planes higher and put fences up,
Did AS and VX go DOH? I wonder why not?
A widebody is a higher status and category than a 737. Its in ALPA Merger policy.
If AS puts their eggs in the "HA was doomed" its going to be a surprise when the arbitrators weight the WB planes higher and put fences up,
My eggs are in the "people hired after me remain junior to me" basket. An example I used earlier: If I'm at airline X, hired as an NB pilot, and someone else is hired three months later as a WB pilot, they should be junior to me, higher status and class (and tray tables) notwithstanding. You somehow think this should be different? ALPA policy is what it is. It's always open to interpretation. Perhaps the "doomed" argument will be factored in, and perhaps it won't. I honestly don't know, but I personally think the "higher status and category" should be rewarded with higher pay, not an increase in company-wide seniority. If that's ALPA policy, it's silly.
Is the WB elitism a thing at other airlines? If so it's been nice not to have to deal with it at AS so far. Onward and upward, I guess.
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There's only so much gate space. You don't think when they move the 787's and 330's to SEA that they won't be flying any routes that would have otherwise been flown by 737's? I haven't seen the long term route plan but I don't think all of the widebodies will be flying long haul routes.
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Yes. In this example, Spirit would be buying us, and I wouldn't dream of disrespecting their pilot group by claiming that DOH was unfair and that some A320 pilot from the purchasing airline who was actually hired before me should be junior to me because of my "higher" equipment type. I'm sure they are just as professional as I am. Show some respect.
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