word302

Oh in this case I totally agree. I thought you were referring to SLI methods in general.

FriendlyPilot

You keep saying "bump". Are you talking about relative percentage? Well nowhere in ALPA merger policy is "relative percentage". DOH will be a factor for sure. Why not just got 1 for 1 until everyone is merged.

Did AS and VX go DOH? I wonder why not?

A widebody is a higher status and category than a 737. Its in ALPA Merger policy.

If AS puts their eggs in the "HA was doomed" its going to be a surprise when the arbitrators weight the WB planes higher and put fences up,

FriendlyPilot

Well I know a lot about SLIs and I'm not with HA. I was previously on the Merger Committee at another airline and part of implementing policy, including the current one. Nobody said the 737 was "bad". Its a lower status than a widebody.

Don't expect base fences. Its never been done by an arbitrator. Its always been equipment fences. 787s and A-330s will likely only be HA pilots for a long time regardless of where they are based.

Good luck.

FriendlyPilot

I read the SLI Award in AS/VX. No where in the award was "Alaska saved Virgin". The reason that #1 VX was in the 500s was because Longevity was weighted and AS pilots obviously had far more. With this merger, HA pilots have similar longevity, but also have widebody planes. So the "relative seniority" will likely overall be higher for HA pilots than AS pilots.

FriendlyPilot

Relative seniority doesn't work because the fleets aren't relatively the same. Would you be ok with relative seniority if AS had a bunch of 787s and you merged with Spirit?

Yakattack

I use the term "bump" to mean better seniority than would have been afforded by straight DOH. And it's not just me who keeps using it, it's the HA pilots (et. al., I suppose) that keep using WBs as a justification for it.

My eggs are in the "people hired after me remain junior to me" basket. An example I used earlier: If I'm at airline X, hired as an NB pilot, and someone else is hired three months later as a WB pilot, they should be junior to me, higher status and class (and tray tables) notwithstanding. You somehow think this should be different? ALPA policy is what it is. It's always open to interpretation. Perhaps the "doomed" argument will be factored in, and perhaps it won't. I honestly don't know, but I personally think the "higher status and category" should be rewarded with higher pay, not an increase in company-wide seniority. If that's ALPA policy, it's silly.

Is the WB elitism a thing at other airlines? If so it's been nice not to have to deal with it at AS so far. Onward and upward, I guess.

IFlyEm

There's only so much gate space. You don't think when they move the 787's and 330's to SEA that they won't be flying any routes that would have otherwise been flown by 737's? I haven't seen the long term route plan but I don't think all of the widebodies will be flying long haul routes.

Yakattack

Yes. In this example, Spirit would be buying us, and I wouldn't dream of disrespecting their pilot group by claiming that DOH was unfair and that some A320 pilot from the purchasing airline who was actually hired before me should be junior to me because of my "higher" equipment type. I'm sure they are just as professional as I am. Show some respect.

Yakattack

Fine by me.


You're not even HA. Why am I even talking to you?

IFlyEm

Am I at a financially failing airline and is Spirit acquiring me guaranteeing that I remained employed?


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