Originally Posted by Stardust

From a union perspective preserving or improving pilots careers not at the cost of one pilot group taking from another this makes a lot of sense. Hawaiian pilots should be able to preserve their career expectation of flying widebodies with higher pay and coveted trips. Many gave up opportunities to fly narrow bodies to come to Hawaiian for early widebody access. Whatever that means for SLI to make that happen so be it. It shouldn’t be perceived as a negative for Alaska pilots that they don’t get to gain widebody positions at the cost of Hawaiian pilots. Everyone should be able to hold what they have or better in the end to be fair (even west coast based). Future fleet wide body/narrowbody ratio will cause Hawaiian pilots to suffer in the end anyways.

On another note how did non rev priority end up working out for the VA merge? DOH would be different than SLI?

Originally Posted by Bluesky123

Wasnt that mostly due to tenure, not one airline saving another, which seems fair enough. No idea what the actual numbers were but for argument sake I am guessing VX #1 had 12 or so years of tenure vs AS #1 at 30+.

Originally Posted by Stardust

From a union perspective preserving or improving pilots careers not at the cost of one pilot group taking from another this makes a lot of sense. Hawaiian pilots should be able to preserve their career expectation of flying widebodies with higher pay and coveted trips. Many gave up opportunities to fly narrow bodies to come to Hawaiian for early widebody access. Whatever that means for SLI to make that happen so be it. It shouldn’t be perceived as a negative for Alaska pilots that they don’t get to gain widebody positions at the cost of Hawaiian pilots. Everyone should be able to hold what they have or better in the end to be fair (even west coast based). Future fleet wide body/narrowbody ratio will cause Hawaiian pilots to suffer in the end anyways.

On another note how did non rev priority end up working out for the VA merge? DOH would be different than SLI?

Originally Posted by word302

Yes. Virgin pilots were placed above Alaska pilots that had been with the company years before Virgin became an airline. That created some animosity from what I’ve heard. I wasn’t around for it though.

Originally Posted by ReluctantEskimo

The AS/VX merger resulted in a Virgin Sandwich. With VX stuffed in the middle. A consequence of VX hiring when AS wasn't.

Same conditions apply at AS/HA.

Hawaiian has wide bodies. Hawaiian also has half of its pilots <5 years.

I predict an Alaska sandwich.

Originally Posted by rickair7777

Assured. Any MEC which gave up ANYTHING voluntarily would be lynched.

Originally Posted by fostro

I truly hope that's how it works at AS. When I was at HA a 65% contract ratification was slammed down our throats and in return, the MEC received more ALPA pay and days off! LOL

Hope you get an industry-leading contract!!!!

In Unity...

Originally Posted by IFlyEm

DOH is not the best formula. IMO when merging mainline carriers the fairest way to handle it is relevant seniority. If you're 1/2 way up the Captain list pre merger you should be about the same post merger. You're bidding power and QOL remains essentially unchanged. That's what I believe will happen here. Pretty much a 3 to 1 integration like OTZ has predicted.

Originally Posted by word302

I don’t know about that. A blended model definitely make’s a lot more sense. Can you imagine if 12 year Virgin guys were placed next to 30 year Alaska pilots? That wouldn’t have gone over very well.

Originally Posted by IFlyEm

That would be a windfall for Hawaiian at the expense to the Alaska pilots. Unless Hawaiian was fenced into just the aircraft they currently have and fenced in HNL. If management orders more widebodies and starts basing them in Seattle that would harm the Alaska pilot group with loss of block time in the 737.