AS/HA SLI Discussion
09-18-2024, 11:55 AM
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09-18-2024, 12:00 PM
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Enough people asked in PM’s this will give everyone 18mos to digest. This will end up being the final verdict, within pennies. AS MEC knows it, HA MEC knows it
2 year WB fence for Captains only
3 to 1 AS HA
All current CA’s Circled for 3 years, all current WB CA’s circled for 5 years
Done! Guaranteed! Grow up
Stagnation is going to get worse before it gets better, 2026 the tides should turn…there is talk of 700-1000 hires that year…looks like a pretty tough road until then.
2 year WB fence for Captains only
3 to 1 AS HA
All current CA’s Circled for 3 years, all current WB CA’s circled for 5 years
Done! Guaranteed! Grow up
Stagnation is going to get worse before it gets better, 2026 the tides should turn…there is talk of 700-1000 hires that year…looks like a pretty tough road until then.
09-18-2024, 12:01 PM
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1. Ben and Shane are quite innovative and aggressive by historical AS standards.
2. Boeing right now is about as reliable a partner as having a meth-addicted stripper raising your kids.
3. Specific WB types can have specific niches for which they are best suited. I don't think any of the big three are trending towards all bus or all boeing WB's?
09-18-2024, 12:03 PM
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09-18-2024, 12:03 PM
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To answer your question yes. The senior Virgin pilots got hammered on relative seniority. l believe the number 1 Virgin pilot went to 6xx in the SLI. If you don't think the arbitrator isn't going to weigh the fact that Alaska is not the airline being saved then prepare to be disappointed.
Expect about relative seniority and 2 fence for widebodies.
Expect about relative seniority and 2 fence for widebodies.
09-18-2024, 12:05 PM
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Oahu is a very small place. There is definitely a high possibility of outside of work mingling with upper management. Whether it be kids in school, sports functions, church functions or even a round of golf or belonging to the same course. What Fostro says isn't necessarily misinformation.
Again, another case of someone disregarding the message because they don't like the messengers typing..
Again, another case of someone disregarding the message because they don't like the messengers typing..
Second, MEC connections to HA management are no factor in ALPA / ALPA ISL negotiations.
He's just stirring the pot because he's a troll. (in unity)
09-18-2024, 12:10 PM
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Same conditions apply at AS/HA.
Hawaiian has wide bodies. Hawaiian also has half of its pilots <5 years.
I predict an Alaska sandwich.
09-18-2024, 12:16 PM
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Enough people asked in PM’s this will give everyone 18mos to digest. This will end up being the final verdict, within pennies. AS MEC knows it, HA MEC knows it
2 year WB fence for Captains only
3 to 1 AS HA
All current CA’s Circled for 3 years, all current WB CA’s circled for 5 years
Done! Guaranteed! Grow up
Stagnation is going to get worse before it gets better, 2026 the tides should turn…there is talk of 700-1000 hires that year…looks like a pretty tough road until then.
2 year WB fence for Captains only
3 to 1 AS HA
All current CA’s Circled for 3 years, all current WB CA’s circled for 5 years
Done! Guaranteed! Grow up
Stagnation is going to get worse before it gets better, 2026 the tides should turn…there is talk of 700-1000 hires that year…looks like a pretty tough road until then.
"All captains circled for 3 years", does this mean no one can bid Captain on anything?
A description or example would be awesome, thank you.
09-18-2024, 12:16 PM
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Its literally codified into ALPA Merger Policy and used in the last 2 ALPA mergers with widebody planes.
NWA/DAL has 4 "status and categories"...widebody captains, narrow body captains, widebody FOs and narrow body FOs
UAL/CAL had 6 "status and categories". widebody captains, midbody captains (757/767), narrow body captains, widebody FOs, midbody FOs and narrow body FOs (plus both furloughed CAL/UAL pilots)
Both of these are publicly sercheable. Arbitrators are going to give HA pilots a "bump" in seniority because of their widebody planes.
If AS was merging with Horizon, would you just be ok with the 737 being treated the same as a E-175? I'm guessing not.
Neither would an arbitrator.
NWA/DAL has 4 "status and categories"...widebody captains, narrow body captains, widebody FOs and narrow body FOs
UAL/CAL had 6 "status and categories". widebody captains, midbody captains (757/767), narrow body captains, widebody FOs, midbody FOs and narrow body FOs (plus both furloughed CAL/UAL pilots)
Both of these are publicly sercheable. Arbitrators are going to give HA pilots a "bump" in seniority because of their widebody planes.
If AS was merging with Horizon, would you just be ok with the 737 being treated the same as a E-175? I'm guessing not.
Neither would an arbitrator.
On another note how did non rev priority end up working out for the VA merge? DOH would be different than SLI?
09-18-2024, 12:28 PM
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I think it means that no Captain can be bumped by an FO that becomes senior to them in the SLI.
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