AS/HA SLI Discussion
09-18-2024, 09:59 AM
#41
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You don’t think buying another carrier with multiple fleets shows a shift in philosophy?
09-18-2024, 10:00 AM
#42
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So no hope for growth until BA gets it's act together? That's what I am saying. That outlook is not good and I'm planning for stagnation until the SLI is done. Likely more bad news after the SLI.
09-18-2024, 10:18 AM
#44
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[QUOTE=PineappleXpres;3837837]It’s been stated over and over that it will absolutely go to arbitration because neither MEC wants to be responsible for the results.
Ohhh I'm sorry your MEC said this. I would trust them, just because they go golfing with the CEO doesn't mean anything.
In Unity...
Ohhh I'm sorry your MEC said this. I would trust them, just because they go golfing with the CEO doesn't mean anything.
In Unity...
09-18-2024, 10:49 AM
#45
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Consideration doesn't mean "think about it". The arbitrators have to use it and explain how they intrgrated it into final award. The "big picture" is that an airline that only flies 737s and an airline with 2 different WB types just merged. They may give a lower percentage weighting toward status and category, but its going to be used because its written into the policy. Alaska being a "much larger and secure company" won't likely matter any amount. Merger policy is an ALPA process, and ALPA doesn't care that one company was run by management more efficiently than another one.
"Bump in seniority"? What does that even mean? HA flies WB planes, and AS doesn't. How was AS/VX merged under policy? Did AS get a "bump" for being stronger financially? Where are two pilots that had 8 years longevity at AS and VX on the list? Are they together or did the VX pilot with 8 years longevity get a "bump" because they had a higher status and category?
"Bump in seniority"? What does that even mean? HA flies WB planes, and AS doesn't. How was AS/VX merged under policy? Did AS get a "bump" for being stronger financially? Where are two pilots that had 8 years longevity at AS and VX on the list? Are they together or did the VX pilot with 8 years longevity get a "bump" because they had a higher status and category?
Expect about relative seniority and 2 fence for widebodies.
09-18-2024, 11:20 AM
#46
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Boeing has cost us a ton of money and brand damage with the multiple max issues, and can't deliver growth airframes that we need. When Boeing was delivering on it's promises for us it was pretty easy to be "Proudly all Boeing". Given the painfully obvious reality that they are no longer that company, it seems pretty hard to justify being blindly loyal to Boeing, especially if it puts us at a competitive disadvantage regarding growth. In other words, if anything will give management a seismic shift in thinking, it would be the reality of what Boeing is today.
09-18-2024, 11:50 AM
#48
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Apples and oranges, dude. Horizon is a regional airline. Pilots from QX would come to AS with the expectation of going to the bottom of the seniority list. Nobody questions that. When I came to AS from my regional, I didn't expect it to work any other way. Hawaiian and Alaska are two major (legacy, technically) airlines that are integrating.
Much as we all "know how it works" when you transition regional => major, that's not actually how the laws work.
09-18-2024, 11:54 AM
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Oahu is a very small place. There is definitely a high possibility of outside of work mingling with upper management. Whether it be kids in school, sports functions, church functions or even a round of golf or belonging to the same course. What Fostro says isn't necessarily misinformation.
Again, another case of someone disregarding the message because they don't like the messengers typing..
Again, another case of someone disregarding the message because they don't like the messengers typing..
09-18-2024, 11:54 AM
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DOH is fair. The only other argument that is "fair" for me is that HA takes a hit because their company was doomed. What will likely happen is that HA gets a "bump" because of WBs (as undeserved as it may be), and then takes a hit for their company's financial condition, and we'll arrive at something that resembles DOH anyway. I'm no SLI expert, but that's my gut feeling.
WB career expectations are fairly quantifiable... X years at Y payscale, with Z days off.
Future Corporate Financial expectations... not so quantifiable. Might get factored in but not very much I suspect.
Besides, who really cares about seniority until it's someone in your base, in your seat, on your equipment. If the 737 is as bad as you say, my spot should be pretty safe. You HA dudes think we want your WBs, when it's really we don't want you kicking us out of our bases. 10 year fence and done. lol.
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