Akamai

Currently we have ~22% more FO’s on the 330 to account for augmented flying. There is also a training bubble to staff the additional freighters arriving before year end, and additional 787’s arriving first quarter of next year.

Gobows

Aren’t we returning two 330p leases end at the end of this year?

GoodJet

Yeah all the staffing for augmented crew is understandable for 2 of the fleets. Probably not for the 717 or 321. My concern lies with the lack of deliveries. The 787 line is producing 6 aircraft per month. Last year it was 2.5. Assuming this rate remains constant HA/AS will have 10 787s by 2030. The next two scheduled deliveries are in 2025 and 2026. Maybe.

321 Neos have engine issues that I don't know much about. The MAX line is not producing anything at the moment. 330 is the wildcard. I have no idea what the delivery situation looks like for that aircraft.

My concern is: if AS is getting rid of 12, 737-900s and the 717s need to be replaced. What aircraft will replace them? What will happen to two overstaffed pilot groups when furlough protection runs out? I know its 2 years from today for AS at minimum hopefully later whenever the merger is finalized. Once that happens the clock is ticking for airframe replacement. Not even growth.

FriendlyPilot

Its literally codified into ALPA Merger Policy and used in the last 2 ALPA mergers with widebody planes.

NWA/DAL has 4 "status and categories"...widebody captains, narrow body captains, widebody FOs and narrow body FOs

UAL/CAL had 6 "status and categories". widebody captains, midbody captains (757/767), narrow body captains, widebody FOs, midbody FOs and narrow body FOs (plus both furloughed CAL/UAL pilots)

Both of these are publicly sercheable. Arbitrators are going to give HA pilots a "bump" in seniority because of their widebody planes.

If AS was merging with Horizon, would you just be ok with the 737 being treated the same as a E-175? I'm guessing not.

Neither would an arbitrator.

GoodJet

At least we could get more 175s lol

PurringRaccoon

Yeah this is 100% going to arbitration and they will have to follow the established ALPA guidelines.

"HA would have been bankrupt if it wasn't for the acquisition!" isn't part of the equation. HA having widebodies, however, is part of the merger language.

fostro

Fyi.... arbitration is only done for items that are not resolved. I hope you don't have the same "Give it all away MEC".

Good Luck, In Unity...

IFlyEm

Factors to be considered in constructing a fair and equitable integratedseniority list, in no particular order and with no particular weight, shall include but not be limited to the following:- Career expectations.- Longevity. - Status and category.

Will status and category be considered? Of course. But you're fooling yourself if you don't think an arbitrator isn't going to consider the big picture. Alaska is a much stronger and secure company. That will carry weight. There really isn't any huge benefit to the Alaska pilot group resulting from this merger. Hawaiian pilots are really the main beneficiaries. I wouldn't hold my breathe for much of a bump in seniority or long lasting fences.

PineappleXpres

It’s been stated over and over that it will absolutely go to arbitration because neither MEC wants to be responsible for the results.

Jet Blue, Frontier, and Spirit have deferred orders. We’ll take them. We’ll grow while they won’t. Flex with Boeing and trade 737max slots for 787s since Airbus can take care of immediate narrow body growth.

There you go.

Not to mention if they keep the 737MAX-7 for interisland then the timing should work out well for replacing the 717.

So A321 now, 787s faster than Hawaiian has scheduled, and 737MAX-7 in 5 years.

SOC by 2026 anyhow.

PineappleXpres

This.

However in 10 years, too big to fail/EAS wet dream could come true. HAL would be part of that construct.