AS/HA SLI Discussion
09-26-2024, 05:54 PM
#242
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The truth is that we bring a lot to this table. We have been the ones grinding out record profit margins in an all guppy super regional under a sub-standard contract, with sub-standard career progression, and sub-standard pay for however long. Will any AS pilot get credit for that in this SLI? Nope. ALPA SLI policy is quite standardized.
My point is the same as its been since my very first point on this site. Maybe the company will come out ahead in this over the long run. The HA pilot group certainly will come out ahead if you factor in the financial risks associated with continuing to go it alone. We know HA shareholders certainly came out ahead (that sucker sure wasn't worth 18 bucks). The AS pilot group got ******ed the second this merger was announced. Anyone who has a basic understanding of the history of airline mergers can see it plain as day. The only people that can't are idealistic neophytes whose ego is so wrapped up in the metal they fly that they are blind to reality. Likely the same people that wear their little SS Officer hat and give the passenger briefing in the back with the FA handset so everyone can see how great they are in their outfit.
90 percent of the current AS seniority list will never touch a wide body at this company, your either too old, too jr, or both.
and if your like me and flying heavy metal doesn't stroke your ego you still got F**cked cause every vacancy that opens up on the west coast is going to be filled by a HA commuter possibly with less TOS but more seniority than you. Why? Cause base fences are a fantasy. The only fences are going to be 10 yr plus on WBs. This is in line with past precedent and what ALPA has determined is "fair".
I'm aware no one choose this, and we should be throwing stones at BM more than anybody for throwing our successful business model out the window. But he's busy in a Bellevue penthouse enjoying a champagne bubble bath with his VA FA. But the simple reality is if your a AS pilot cheering this merger on alongside our own MEC for gods sake. YOU ARE A FOOL. It will dawn the majority of the group eventually. And then all the calls for unity will vanish and the two groups are going to hate each other just like the overwhelming majority of mergers in the past. Just like the VA and AS groups hated each other. So you can either choose to join reality now. Or you can get dragged to reality kicking in screaming. Or choose to live in fantasy land and wear your little SS Officer hat. I don't care. I'm still going to call you a fool for supporting this merger.
09-26-2024, 06:03 PM
#243
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So much hate.
Not sure where you get that 90% of AS will not get to touch the widebody.
Fences are likely, though more than 5 years seeems unlikely. I'm not in any way conncected to the negotiations, but do think it will be available sooner raather than later.
Our best bet is to take the best of both contracts and work from there.
Not sure where you get that 90% of AS will not get to touch the widebody.
Fences are likely, though more than 5 years seeems unlikely. I'm not in any way conncected to the negotiations, but do think it will be available sooner raather than later.
Our best bet is to take the best of both contracts and work from there.
09-26-2024, 06:54 PM
#244
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What are we going to get credit for? What does the AS seniority list bring to the table?
The truth is that we bring a lot to this table. We have been the ones grinding out record profit margins in an all guppy super regional under a sub-standard contract, with sub-standard career progression, and sub-standard pay for however long. Will any AS pilot get credit for that in this SLI? Nope. ALPA SLI policy is quite standardized.
My point is the same as its been since my very first point on this site. Maybe the company will come out ahead in this over the long run. The HA pilot group certainly will come out ahead if you factor in the financial risks associated with continuing to go it alone. We know HA shareholders certainly came out ahead (that sucker sure wasn't worth 18 bucks). The AS pilot group got ******ed the second this merger was announced. Anyone who has a basic understanding of the history of airline mergers can see it plain as day. The only people that can't are idealistic neophytes whose ego is so wrapped up in the metal they fly that they are blind to reality. Likely the same people that wear their little SS Officer hat and give the passenger briefing in the back with the FA handset so everyone can see how great they are in their outfit.
90 percent of the current AS seniority list will never touch a wide body at this company, your either too old, too jr, or both.
and if your like me and flying heavy metal doesn't stroke your ego you still got F**cked cause every vacancy that opens up on the west coast is going to be filled by a HA commuter possibly with less TOS but more seniority than you. Why? Cause base fences are a fantasy. The only fences are going to be 10 yr plus on WBs. This is in line with past precedent and what ALPA has determined is "fair".
I'm aware no one choose this, and we should be throwing stones at BM more than anybody for throwing our successful business model out the window. But he's busy in a Bellevue penthouse enjoying a champagne bubble bath with his VA FA. But the simple reality is if your a AS pilot cheering this merger on alongside our own MEC for gods sake. YOU ARE A FOOL. It will dawn the majority of the group eventually. And then all the calls for unity will vanish and the two groups are going to hate each other just like the overwhelming majority of mergers in the past. Just like the VA and AS groups hated each other. So you can either choose to join reality now. Or you can get dragged to reality kicking in screaming. Or choose to live in fantasy land and wear your little SS Officer hat. I don't care. I'm still going to call you a fool for supporting this merger.
The truth is that we bring a lot to this table. We have been the ones grinding out record profit margins in an all guppy super regional under a sub-standard contract, with sub-standard career progression, and sub-standard pay for however long. Will any AS pilot get credit for that in this SLI? Nope. ALPA SLI policy is quite standardized.
My point is the same as its been since my very first point on this site. Maybe the company will come out ahead in this over the long run. The HA pilot group certainly will come out ahead if you factor in the financial risks associated with continuing to go it alone. We know HA shareholders certainly came out ahead (that sucker sure wasn't worth 18 bucks). The AS pilot group got ******ed the second this merger was announced. Anyone who has a basic understanding of the history of airline mergers can see it plain as day. The only people that can't are idealistic neophytes whose ego is so wrapped up in the metal they fly that they are blind to reality. Likely the same people that wear their little SS Officer hat and give the passenger briefing in the back with the FA handset so everyone can see how great they are in their outfit.
90 percent of the current AS seniority list will never touch a wide body at this company, your either too old, too jr, or both.
and if your like me and flying heavy metal doesn't stroke your ego you still got F**cked cause every vacancy that opens up on the west coast is going to be filled by a HA commuter possibly with less TOS but more seniority than you. Why? Cause base fences are a fantasy. The only fences are going to be 10 yr plus on WBs. This is in line with past precedent and what ALPA has determined is "fair".
I'm aware no one choose this, and we should be throwing stones at BM more than anybody for throwing our successful business model out the window. But he's busy in a Bellevue penthouse enjoying a champagne bubble bath with his VA FA. But the simple reality is if your a AS pilot cheering this merger on alongside our own MEC for gods sake. YOU ARE A FOOL. It will dawn the majority of the group eventually. And then all the calls for unity will vanish and the two groups are going to hate each other just like the overwhelming majority of mergers in the past. Just like the VA and AS groups hated each other. So you can either choose to join reality now. Or you can get dragged to reality kicking in screaming. Or choose to live in fantasy land and wear your little SS Officer hat. I don't care. I'm still going to call you a fool for supporting this merger.
09-26-2024, 07:22 PM
#245
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What are we going to get credit for? What does the AS seniority list bring to the table?
The truth is that we bring a lot to this table. We have been the ones grinding out record profit margins in an all guppy super regional under a sub-standard contract, with sub-standard career progression, and sub-standard pay for however long. Will any AS pilot get credit for that in this SLI? Nope. ALPA SLI policy is quite standardized.
My point is the same as its been since my very first point on this site. Maybe the company will come out ahead in this over the long run. The HA pilot group certainly will come out ahead if you factor in the financial risks associated with continuing to go it alone. We know HA shareholders certainly came out ahead (that sucker sure wasn't worth 18 bucks). The AS pilot group got ******ed the second this merger was announced. Anyone who has a basic understanding of the history of airline mergers can see it plain as day. The only people that can't are idealistic neophytes whose ego is so wrapped up in the metal they fly that they are blind to reality. Likely the same people that wear their little SS Officer hat and give the passenger briefing in the back with the FA handset so everyone can see how great they are in their outfit.
90 percent of the current AS seniority list will never touch a wide body at this company, your either too old, too jr, or both.
and if your like me and flying heavy metal doesn't stroke your ego you still got F**cked cause every vacancy that opens up on the west coast is going to be filled by a HA commuter possibly with less TOS but more seniority than you. Why? Cause base fences are a fantasy. The only fences are going to be 10 yr plus on WBs. This is in line with past precedent and what ALPA has determined is "fair".
I'm aware no one choose this, and we should be throwing stones at BM more than anybody for throwing our successful business model out the window. But he's busy in a Bellevue penthouse enjoying a champagne bubble bath with his VA FA. But the simple reality is if your a AS pilot cheering this merger on alongside our own MEC for gods sake. YOU ARE A FOOL. It will dawn the majority of the group eventually. And then all the calls for unity will vanish and the two groups are going to hate each other just like the overwhelming majority of mergers in the past. Just like the VA and AS groups hated each other. So you can either choose to join reality now. Or you can get dragged to reality kicking in screaming. Or choose to live in fantasy land and wear your little SS Officer hat. I don't care. I'm still going to call you a fool for supporting this merger.
The truth is that we bring a lot to this table. We have been the ones grinding out record profit margins in an all guppy super regional under a sub-standard contract, with sub-standard career progression, and sub-standard pay for however long. Will any AS pilot get credit for that in this SLI? Nope. ALPA SLI policy is quite standardized.
My point is the same as its been since my very first point on this site. Maybe the company will come out ahead in this over the long run. The HA pilot group certainly will come out ahead if you factor in the financial risks associated with continuing to go it alone. We know HA shareholders certainly came out ahead (that sucker sure wasn't worth 18 bucks). The AS pilot group got ******ed the second this merger was announced. Anyone who has a basic understanding of the history of airline mergers can see it plain as day. The only people that can't are idealistic neophytes whose ego is so wrapped up in the metal they fly that they are blind to reality. Likely the same people that wear their little SS Officer hat and give the passenger briefing in the back with the FA handset so everyone can see how great they are in their outfit.
90 percent of the current AS seniority list will never touch a wide body at this company, your either too old, too jr, or both.
and if your like me and flying heavy metal doesn't stroke your ego you still got F**cked cause every vacancy that opens up on the west coast is going to be filled by a HA commuter possibly with less TOS but more seniority than you. Why? Cause base fences are a fantasy. The only fences are going to be 10 yr plus on WBs. This is in line with past precedent and what ALPA has determined is "fair".
I'm aware no one choose this, and we should be throwing stones at BM more than anybody for throwing our successful business model out the window. But he's busy in a Bellevue penthouse enjoying a champagne bubble bath with his VA FA. But the simple reality is if your a AS pilot cheering this merger on alongside our own MEC for gods sake. YOU ARE A FOOL. It will dawn the majority of the group eventually. And then all the calls for unity will vanish and the two groups are going to hate each other just like the overwhelming majority of mergers in the past. Just like the VA and AS groups hated each other. So you can either choose to join reality now. Or you can get dragged to reality kicking in screaming. Or choose to live in fantasy land and wear your little SS Officer hat. I don't care. I'm still going to call you a fool for supporting this merger.
09-26-2024, 07:26 PM
#246
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So much hate.
Not sure where you get that 90% of AS will not get to touch the widebody.
Fences are likely, though more than 5 years seeems unlikely. I'm not in any way conncected to the negotiations, but do think it will be available sooner raather than later.
Our best bet is to take the best of both contracts and work from there.
Not sure where you get that 90% of AS will not get to touch the widebody.
Fences are likely, though more than 5 years seeems unlikely. I'm not in any way conncected to the negotiations, but do think it will be available sooner raather than later.
Our best bet is to take the best of both contracts and work from there.
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09-26-2024, 07:37 PM
#247
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What are we going to get credit for? What does the AS seniority list bring to the table?
The truth is that we bring a lot to this table. We have been the ones grinding out record profit margins in an all guppy super regional under a sub-standard contract, with sub-standard career progression, and sub-standard pay for however long. Will any AS pilot get credit for that in this SLI? Nope. ALPA SLI policy is quite standardized.
My point is the same as its been since my very first point on this site. Maybe the company will come out ahead in this over the long run. The HA pilot group certainly will come out ahead if you factor in the financial risks associated with continuing to go it alone. We know HA shareholders certainly came out ahead (that sucker sure wasn't worth 18 bucks). The AS pilot group got ******ed the second this merger was announced. Anyone who has a basic understanding of the history of airline mergers can see it plain as day. The only people that can't are idealistic neophytes whose ego is so wrapped up in the metal they fly that they are blind to reality. Likely the same people that wear their little SS Officer hat and give the passenger briefing in the back with the FA handset so everyone can see how great they are in their outfit.
90 percent of the current AS seniority list will never touch a wide body at this company, your either too old, too jr, or both.
and if your like me and flying heavy metal doesn't stroke your ego you still got F**cked cause every vacancy that opens up on the west coast is going to be filled by a HA commuter possibly with less TOS but more seniority than you. Why? Cause base fences are a fantasy. The only fences are going to be 10 yr plus on WBs. This is in line with past precedent and what ALPA has determined is "fair".
I'm aware no one choose this, and we should be throwing stones at BM more than anybody for throwing our successful business model out the window. But he's busy in a Bellevue penthouse enjoying a champagne bubble bath with his VA FA. But the simple reality is if your a AS pilot cheering this merger on alongside our own MEC for gods sake. YOU ARE A FOOL. It will dawn the majority of the group eventually. And then all the calls for unity will vanish and the two groups are going to hate each other just like the overwhelming majority of mergers in the past. Just like the VA and AS groups hated each other. So you can either choose to join reality now. Or you can get dragged to reality kicking in screaming. Or choose to live in fantasy land and wear your little SS Officer hat. I don't care. I'm still going to call you a fool for supporting this merger.
The truth is that we bring a lot to this table. We have been the ones grinding out record profit margins in an all guppy super regional under a sub-standard contract, with sub-standard career progression, and sub-standard pay for however long. Will any AS pilot get credit for that in this SLI? Nope. ALPA SLI policy is quite standardized.
My point is the same as its been since my very first point on this site. Maybe the company will come out ahead in this over the long run. The HA pilot group certainly will come out ahead if you factor in the financial risks associated with continuing to go it alone. We know HA shareholders certainly came out ahead (that sucker sure wasn't worth 18 bucks). The AS pilot group got ******ed the second this merger was announced. Anyone who has a basic understanding of the history of airline mergers can see it plain as day. The only people that can't are idealistic neophytes whose ego is so wrapped up in the metal they fly that they are blind to reality. Likely the same people that wear their little SS Officer hat and give the passenger briefing in the back with the FA handset so everyone can see how great they are in their outfit.
90 percent of the current AS seniority list will never touch a wide body at this company, your either too old, too jr, or both.
and if your like me and flying heavy metal doesn't stroke your ego you still got F**cked cause every vacancy that opens up on the west coast is going to be filled by a HA commuter possibly with less TOS but more seniority than you. Why? Cause base fences are a fantasy. The only fences are going to be 10 yr plus on WBs. This is in line with past precedent and what ALPA has determined is "fair".
I'm aware no one choose this, and we should be throwing stones at BM more than anybody for throwing our successful business model out the window. But he's busy in a Bellevue penthouse enjoying a champagne bubble bath with his VA FA. But the simple reality is if your a AS pilot cheering this merger on alongside our own MEC for gods sake. YOU ARE A FOOL. It will dawn the majority of the group eventually. And then all the calls for unity will vanish and the two groups are going to hate each other just like the overwhelming majority of mergers in the past. Just like the VA and AS groups hated each other. So you can either choose to join reality now. Or you can get dragged to reality kicking in screaming. Or choose to live in fantasy land and wear your little SS Officer hat. I don't care. I'm still going to call you a fool for supporting this merger.
So much hate.
Not sure where you get that 90% of AS will not get to touch the widebody.
Fences are likely, though more than 5 years seeems unlikely. I'm not in any way conncected to the negotiations, but do think it will be available sooner raather than later.
Our best bet is to take the best of both contracts and work from there.
Not sure where you get that 90% of AS will not get to touch the widebody.
Fences are likely, though more than 5 years seeems unlikely. I'm not in any way conncected to the negotiations, but do think it will be available sooner raather than later.
Our best bet is to take the best of both contracts and work from there.
09-26-2024, 08:38 PM
#248
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The VX thing was painful because they basically shrunk the airline back to pre-merger fleet size. Hopefully this isn't that.
Trying to stay positive.
09-26-2024, 10:41 PM
#249
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Yeah he's pretty pessimistic, worst case outlook (but not strictly impossible). Even if AS gets sent to the cleaners on SLI, it only matters if there's shrinkage in the mid-term.
The VX thing was painful because they basically shrunk the airline back to pre-merger fleet size. Hopefully this isn't that.
Trying to stay positive.
The VX thing was painful because they basically shrunk the airline back to pre-merger fleet size. Hopefully this isn't that.
Trying to stay positive.
09-27-2024, 05:29 AM
#250
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What are we going to get credit for? What does the AS seniority list bring to the table?
The truth is that we bring a lot to this table. We have been the ones grinding out record profit margins in an all guppy super regional under a sub-standard contract, with sub-standard career progression, and sub-standard pay for however long. Will any AS pilot get credit for that in this SLI? Nope. ALPA SLI policy is quite standardized.
My point is the same as its been since my very first point on this site. Maybe the company will come out ahead in this over the long run. The HA pilot group certainly will come out ahead if you factor in the financial risks associated with continuing to go it alone. We know HA shareholders certainly came out ahead (that sucker sure wasn't worth 18 bucks). The AS pilot group got ******ed the second this merger was announced. Anyone who has a basic understanding of the history of airline mergers can see it plain as day. The only people that can't are idealistic neophytes whose ego is so wrapped up in the metal they fly that they are blind to reality. Likely the same people that wear their little SS Officer hat and give the passenger briefing in the back with the FA handset so everyone can see how great they are in their outfit.
90 percent of the current AS seniority list will never touch a wide body at this company, your either too old, too jr, or both.
and if your like me and flying heavy metal doesn't stroke your ego you still got F**cked cause every vacancy that opens up on the west coast is going to be filled by a HA commuter possibly with less TOS but more seniority than you. Why? Cause base fences are a fantasy. The only fences are going to be 10 yr plus on WBs. This is in line with past precedent and what ALPA has determined is "fair".
I'm aware no one choose this, and we should be throwing stones at BM more than anybody for throwing our successful business model out the window. But he's busy in a Bellevue penthouse enjoying a champagne bubble bath with his VA FA. But the simple reality is if your a AS pilot cheering this merger on alongside our own MEC for gods sake. YOU ARE A FOOL. It will dawn the majority of the group eventually. And then all the calls for unity will vanish and the two groups are going to hate each other just like the overwhelming majority of mergers in the past. Just like the VA and AS groups hated each other. So you can either choose to join reality now. Or you can get dragged to reality kicking in screaming. Or choose to live in fantasy land and wear your little SS Officer hat. I don't care. I'm still going to call you a fool for supporting this merger.
The truth is that we bring a lot to this table. We have been the ones grinding out record profit margins in an all guppy super regional under a sub-standard contract, with sub-standard career progression, and sub-standard pay for however long. Will any AS pilot get credit for that in this SLI? Nope. ALPA SLI policy is quite standardized.
My point is the same as its been since my very first point on this site. Maybe the company will come out ahead in this over the long run. The HA pilot group certainly will come out ahead if you factor in the financial risks associated with continuing to go it alone. We know HA shareholders certainly came out ahead (that sucker sure wasn't worth 18 bucks). The AS pilot group got ******ed the second this merger was announced. Anyone who has a basic understanding of the history of airline mergers can see it plain as day. The only people that can't are idealistic neophytes whose ego is so wrapped up in the metal they fly that they are blind to reality. Likely the same people that wear their little SS Officer hat and give the passenger briefing in the back with the FA handset so everyone can see how great they are in their outfit.
90 percent of the current AS seniority list will never touch a wide body at this company, your either too old, too jr, or both.
and if your like me and flying heavy metal doesn't stroke your ego you still got F**cked cause every vacancy that opens up on the west coast is going to be filled by a HA commuter possibly with less TOS but more seniority than you. Why? Cause base fences are a fantasy. The only fences are going to be 10 yr plus on WBs. This is in line with past precedent and what ALPA has determined is "fair".
I'm aware no one choose this, and we should be throwing stones at BM more than anybody for throwing our successful business model out the window. But he's busy in a Bellevue penthouse enjoying a champagne bubble bath with his VA FA. But the simple reality is if your a AS pilot cheering this merger on alongside our own MEC for gods sake. YOU ARE A FOOL. It will dawn the majority of the group eventually. And then all the calls for unity will vanish and the two groups are going to hate each other just like the overwhelming majority of mergers in the past. Just like the VA and AS groups hated each other. So you can either choose to join reality now. Or you can get dragged to reality kicking in screaming. Or choose to live in fantasy land and wear your little SS Officer hat. I don't care. I'm still going to call you a fool for supporting this merger.
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