Originally Posted by Point85ToTheFix

We all choose where we work man and that comes with pluses and minuses. There were guys that loved air Tran or stayed there so they could drive to work just like you do.

Bottom line is what about guys who left the failing company to go work for the buying one?? They will end up lower than those who stayed at the failing one? Makes no sense. Pilots who work for a company that is going under then purchased should be happy to still be employed and would have been at the bottom of any list that would have them next regardless.

Originally Posted by rickair7777

Sure. But that's very, very hard to quantify objectively.

The reality is that absent an actual BK filing (and maybe not even then) the arbitrator isn't going to weight it much, and the realtive financial positions of the companies isn't going to wash out the traditional ALPA SLI weight on category. Hopefully fences will protect what's what.

Debate about what's "fair" is just peeing into the wind in this context.

Originally Posted by CATIII

A good case study of financial situation and merger/buy out is American and TWA, then later on America West and American ... Many don't know that America West, effectively bought American..

Originally Posted by PineappleXpres

Rick. The more I talk to people and hear whatever body wants, it’s clear that most people do want to ride out on the horse they came in on, as you said. It’s the displacement scenarios, base or airframe, that is up for philosophical debate. Least harm to all. Not sure if arbitrator defined fencing and SLI itself accounts for those scenarios/contingencies.

Originally Posted by RJSAviator76

Outsider looking in... I don't think HA was in imminent danger of bankruptcy, and I think that argument is irrelevant as they were not in Ch 11 when the merger was announced.

I know ALK management said they intend to keep the WB flying... the question is for how long? Are you sure the new airline will be flying the WB's in 2034, or will it be an all-737MAX airline with all the WB's gone by the way of Virgin America's A320's? With that in mind, how do you integrate the lists? Is there an age gap between the two groups?

If I were a betting man, I'd bet on relative seniority merge with a 5 - 7 year fence on current WB's with caveat that any new delivered 787's post-merger is open to everyone based on seniority. This may kinda hose HA A330 pilots as those planes get retired.

Hope you guys get through this as quickly and as painlessly as possible.

Originally Posted by DenainaPilot

The consensus is that we bought HAL for widebodies, wouldn’t make sense for them to turn around sell them off.

Originally Posted by Rama

The Amazon planes belong to Amazon. They lease/own them.
The contract is for HA to supply pilots and maintenance for eight years.

Originally Posted by ShyGuy

Yikes. And I'm hearing rumors of 30-50 widebodies for Amazon. Isn't this bad if we don't even own the planes? What's to stop them at yr 8 and say no thanks, you're too expensive, ATI and ATSG can do it cheaper? Without owning planes and having the staff for it, how bad would a displacement be for 30-50 widebody planes as they close out CVG? Sorry, this has a feel of regional contract feed written all over it. I can't name a single major legacy airline that has a portion of its pilots flying exclusively farmed out airplanes as ACMI.

Originally Posted by rickair7777

Frankly that's my worst fear. As I've said the HA WB pax pilots should have generous fences to protect them from senior SEA guppy lifers, who will scurry like rats to the 787's if allowed to.

But the AZ WB pilots should really be stapled, because their career expectations are: ACMI