Akamai

Looking at their post history, they left Mesa for American in April of this year. So they are very clearly stirring the pot with their BS staple ideology.

Disappointment

Expectations are DOH and fences for a few years. Dust settles and we move forword as a bigger better group and everyone makes more money.

OTZeagle1

DOH… I know a lot of really smart people, like zero have said DOH. I would take that bet all day every day, zero chance this goes down DOH…zero!

EskimoBraddah69

HOT HOT HOT!

Akamai

Expectations on the Alaska side might equate to that. At HAL, expectations are better than relative seniority and 20+ year fences. Good thing the SLI will be arbitrated and we can all be upset and make more money together.

Jet J

🤔 Would make sense. Do something similar to Southwest AirTran. The argument was AirTran pilots would make more stapled as WN FOs than they would as AirTran Captains.

Same with Hawaiian they will make more as FOs at Alaska than they would being on the street after BK at HA.

rickair7777

Objectively, I don't think HAL was on the verge of BK. Sans merger, they were potentially in for some pain, maybe even for a good while. That might have required a head-shed overhaul or maybe even a BOD overhaul, a la SWA/Elliot.

AS clearly has a much better financial trajectory going into this, but it is in fact a merger and not a fire sale. I would like to get some seniority credit since I came here largely so I could drive to work. I don't want to fly WB's at this point in life and don't expect to. But if there's a big WB shake-up necessitated by the flailing HAL business model I don't want a bunch of ex-WB pilots coming in on top of me in my home base.

I'd prefer DOH + relative seniority with tall WB fences. That protects the HAL people as long as the WB's are viable. I'd actually like fences on the AS bases too... everybody sticks with the horse they rode in on, for better or worse.

RJSAviator76

Outsider looking in... I don't think HA was in imminent danger of bankruptcy, and I think that argument is irrelevant as they were not in Ch 11 when the merger was announced.

I know ALK management said they intend to keep the WB flying... the question is for how long? Are you sure the new airline will be flying the WB's in 2034, or will it be an all-737MAX airline with all the WB's gone by the way of Virgin America's A320's? With that in mind, how do you integrate the lists? Is there an age gap between the two groups?

If I were a betting man, I'd bet on relative seniority merge with a 5 - 7 year fence on current WB's with caveat that any new delivered 787's post-merger is open to everyone based on seniority. This may kinda hose HA A330 pilots as those planes get retired.

Hope you guys get through this as quickly and as painlessly as possible.

Point85ToTheFix

We all choose where we work man and that comes with pluses and minuses. There were guys that loved air Tran or stayed there so they could drive to work just like you do.

Bottom line is what about guys who left the failing company to go work for the buying one?? They will end up lower than those who stayed at the failing one? Makes no sense. Pilots who work for a company that is going under then purchased should be happy to still be employed and would have been at the bottom of any list that would have them next regardless.

rickair7777

Sure. But that's very, very hard to quantify objectively.

The reality is that absent an actual BK filing (and maybe not even then) the arbitrator isn't going to weight it much, and the realtive financial positions of the companies isn't going to wash out the traditional ALPA SLI weight on category. Hopefully fences will protect what's what.

Debate about what's "fair" is just peeing into the wind in this context.