Carebear

Not sure if you were being serious, but 1:1 would be atrocious for Alaska pilots, and no way possible. You’d be suggesting a 2023 HA hire be put next to the seniority list with a 2012 Alaska hire.


Some of you in here are really trying to turn this into an East vs West battle. Might as well spin the rumor that the arbitrator is George Nicolau.

Yakattack

I don't care either, and congratulations for winning that jackpot in life, but it shouldn't entitle you to higher seniority than you would have had by DOH.

Uninteresting

you might want to read “who moved my cheese”

word302

That’s literally how it works though. Otherwise they could get bumped out of their seat by a narrow body pilot that’s senior to them.

Uninteresting

what defines junior? age? doh?

word302

Was supposed to say senior pilot. Brain fart.

rickair7777

Yes, that's how it works. Fences for sure, and likely bonus seniority on top of that.

Maybe that can be mitigated by relative pay scales, as opposed to just assuming "WB's are the Pinnacle".

Personally I'd be OK with bonus seniority for WB's *if* we get fences for our west coast bases.

ZINTKAZ

QUOTE=Yakattack;3838191]I don't care either, and congratulations for winning that jackpot in life, but it shouldn't entitle you to higher seniority than you would have had by DOH.[/QUOTE]

We will see what the arbitrator says. When Air Group bought VX (who had voted in ALPA but had no CBA) I thought my 2001 hire year would make me immune from any seniority loss. I was wrong about that and lost 230 ish numbers to 2006 VX hires. Not to mention the guys/gals who got furloughed.....well they couldn't count their years of furlough as years of service for the whole seniority list integration. Bitter pill to swallow considering before that the union would stress "seniority is everything". Now I didn't check if I might have went up in relative seniority cause I relented to it is what it is. Nothing we can do about the ALPA arbitrated Ouija board SLI process. It stung at the time cause many of us chose to work for this company and then another company is BOUGHT and their folks who made it quite clear they hate this place big time (rightly so they had a good thing till they were put up for sale) This new SLI integration method is out of our control. As far a wide body pilot holding more weight than a narrow body...........we will see.

Dont be surprised if you slip a few spots on the list.

clearandcold

Fence the WB’s, circle the captains, DOH SLI, then every HNL to legacy AK base transfer un fences an equal number of WB slots or maybe a ratio considering the differential size of the pilot groups. Might be a way to somewhat preserve relative base position. Someone bids in but someone at the top of the list may at the same time bid out for the WB.

Yakattack

I won't be. Doesn't mean I have to like it or think it's fair.