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09-06-2024, 10:29 AM
#32
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As an aside, the 717 isn't a B-scale, it's a much smaller airplane and as such pays lower rates than the other aircraft. We followed Delta's rates(-6%... which became -9%, so the whole pay structure at Hawaiian could be considered a B-scale). For whatever reason Delta decided to pay the 717 less than even the A220, so we got stuck with that rate.
09-06-2024, 10:49 AM
#33
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Joined APC: Mar 2011
Position: 737 FO
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We also get 60% of duty, instead of the 50% that everyone else gets. I find as often as not this is how I get paid. 6 leg day with a 2 hour sit, you're definitely looking at taking duty credit.
As an aside, the 717 isn't a B-scale, it's a much smaller airplane and as such pays lower rates than the other aircraft. We followed Delta's rates(-6%... which became -9%, so the whole pay structure at Hawaiian could be considered a B-scale). For whatever reason Delta decided to pay the 717 less than even the A220, so we got stuck with that rate.
As an aside, the 717 isn't a B-scale, it's a much smaller airplane and as such pays lower rates than the other aircraft. We followed Delta's rates(-6%... which became -9%, so the whole pay structure at Hawaiian could be considered a B-scale). For whatever reason Delta decided to pay the 717 less than even the A220, so we got stuck with that rate.
09-06-2024, 10:54 AM
#34
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Joined APC: Jul 2010
Posts: 2,635
We also get 60% of duty, instead of the 50% that everyone else gets. I find as often as not this is how I get paid. 6 leg day with a 2 hour sit, you're definitely looking at taking duty credit.
As an aside, the 717 isn't a B-scale, it's a much smaller airplane and as such pays lower rates than the other aircraft. We followed Delta's rates(-6%... which became -9%, so the whole pay structure at Hawaiian could be considered a B-scale). For whatever reason Delta decided to pay the 717 less than even the A220, so we got stuck with that rate.
As an aside, the 717 isn't a B-scale, it's a much smaller airplane and as such pays lower rates than the other aircraft. We followed Delta's rates(-6%... which became -9%, so the whole pay structure at Hawaiian could be considered a B-scale). For whatever reason Delta decided to pay the 717 less than even the A220, so we got stuck with that rate.
09-06-2024, 12:11 PM
#35
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Joined APC: Apr 2022
Posts: 1,160
As a Delta 717 guy I can explain what's been told to me... huge swing and a miss on behalf of our NC. Apparently the 717's were supposed to be gone around mid 2020's so the NC decided it wasn't worth wasting negotiating capital on a fleet that wasn't going to stick around. I also heard from a rep that the 717 wasn't "as capable" whatever the heck that means as the 220 so they gave it a lesser paying rate. The ironic part is with all the PW/Airbus delays on the 220 the 717 ends up filling in at times for those routes. Seating capacity is identical between the 717 and 220-100 but the pay is roughly $5/hr difference which really adds up over time. Hopefully this is corrected on the next contract.
09-06-2024, 01:32 PM
#36
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This whole operation will probably change once we get the 5 hour min day. I can't imagine seeing any more 4 leg days, I think we're going to see a lot more 6-8 leg days. The company isn't going to give that 5 hours away for free.
09-06-2024, 02:48 PM
#37
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Joined APC: Mar 2011
Position: 737 FO
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It varies a lot. We have some 4 leg days that are in the range of 5-6 hours, those you just end up min credit. We have some days that are 8 legs, closer to 11 hours, although those are pretty rare now it seems like. 5-7 leg days are the norm with duty days ranging between 8 and 10 hours. Landing credit isn't on top of that, it's tagged on to flight time credit, so we get the higher of min day(4:10 for now, 5 hours starting in March), block credit(including the 6 minutes per leg), and duty credit(at 60%).
This whole operation will probably change once we get the 5 hour min day. I can't imagine seeing any more 4 leg days, I think we're going to see a lot more 6-8 leg days. The company isn't going to give that 5 hours away for free.
This whole operation will probably change once we get the 5 hour min day. I can't imagine seeing any more 4 leg days, I think we're going to see a lot more 6-8 leg days. The company isn't going to give that 5 hours away for free.
09-06-2024, 04:16 PM
#38
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09-07-2024, 07:33 AM
#39
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As a Delta 717 guy I can explain what's been told to me... huge swing and a miss on behalf of our NC. Apparently the 717's were supposed to be gone around mid 2020's so the NC decided it wasn't worth wasting negotiating capital on a fleet that wasn't going to stick around. I also heard from a rep that the 717 wasn't "as capable" whatever the heck that means as the 220 so they gave it a lesser paying rate. The ironic part is with all the PW/Airbus delays on the 220 the 717 ends up filling in at times for those routes. Seating capacity is identical between the 717 and 220-100 but the pay is roughly $5/hr difference which really adds up over time. Hopefully this is corrected on the next contract.
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