787 routes
07-16-2024, 12:49 AM
#81
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I remember first hearing that the 787 was a replacement for the 330. Then, it changed to good news; that it’s for growth. Then, some 330 leases that were ending were renewed due to 787 delivery delays (indicating replacements not growth). Latest vacancy has 330 pilot position cancellations as another 787 is being added. So what’s going on? Sounds like shrinking 330 for 787 to me.
07-16-2024, 01:47 AM
#82
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I remember first hearing that the 787 was a replacement for the 330. Then, it changed to good news; that it’s for growth. Then, some 330 leases that were ending were renewed due to 787 delivery delays (indicating replacements not growth). Latest vacancy has 330 pilot position cancellations as another 787 is being added. So what’s going on? Sounds like shrinking 330 for 787 to me.
07-16-2024, 07:55 AM
#83
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I remember first hearing that the 787 was a replacement for the 330. Then, it changed to good news; that it’s for growth. Then, some 330 leases that were ending were renewed due to 787 delivery delays (indicating replacements not growth). Latest vacancy has 330 pilot position cancellations as another 787 is being added. So what’s going on? Sounds like shrinking 330 for 787 to me.
They've been doing this for some time. For the last 2 years they've said "we're right on track!" As we lose hundreds of millions and ultimately need to be bought.
If this was being "right on track", I'd hate to see what it looks like to be "off track".
Thank god AK stepped in, hopefully the DOJ (Maybe even the guy who was hired illegally) will let this go through in 3 weeks without a word.
Just remember, adding one route, to Salt Lake City, is a big win for this team. The bar is pretty low.
I'd guess a bit of right sizing the fleet. Maybe from a little push from AK?
07-16-2024, 08:32 AM
#84
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Just gaslighting from Koapaka management "team".
They've been doing this for some time. For the last 2 years they've said "we're right on track!" As we lose hundreds of millions and ultimately need to be bought.
If this was being "right on track", I'd hate to see what it looks like to be "off track".
Thank god AK stepped in, hopefully the DOJ (Maybe even the guy who was hired illegally) will let this go through in 3 weeks without a word.
Just remember, adding one route, to Salt Lake City, is a big win for this team. The bar is pretty low.
I'd guess a bit of right sizing the fleet. Maybe from a little push from AK?
They've been doing this for some time. For the last 2 years they've said "we're right on track!" As we lose hundreds of millions and ultimately need to be bought.
If this was being "right on track", I'd hate to see what it looks like to be "off track".
Thank god AK stepped in, hopefully the DOJ (Maybe even the guy who was hired illegally) will let this go through in 3 weeks without a word.
Just remember, adding one route, to Salt Lake City, is a big win for this team. The bar is pretty low.
I'd guess a bit of right sizing the fleet. Maybe from a little push from AK?
AS is the IATA airline code for Alaskan Air.
07-16-2024, 08:57 AM
#85
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330s are gone. Management has trouble handling the 737 training department already and will switch to a 2 fleet 787 and 737 in no time. On a personal note, I would rather take the dreamliner over an old 330 but who cares what I think. Sadly, lot of old timers here who are counting down on retirement won't even get a chance to fly the 78 and lot of other folks like me are comfortable where we are at. A 2 year seat lock and being on reserve or a **** line on the 78 is something many of us do NOT want. I suspect a lot of new hires will not have fun being on reserve forever with a WB. Time will tell.
07-16-2024, 11:55 AM
#86
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Just gaslighting from Koapaka management "team".
They've been doing this for some time. For the last 2 years they've said "we're right on track!" As we lose hundreds of millions and ultimately need to be bought.
If this was being "right on track", I'd hate to see what it looks like to be "off track".
Thank god AK stepped in, hopefully the DOJ (Maybe even the guy who was hired illegally) will let this go through in 3 weeks without a word.
Just remember, adding one route, to Salt Lake City, is a big win for this team. The bar is pretty low.
I'd guess a bit of right sizing the fleet. Maybe from a little push from AK?
They've been doing this for some time. For the last 2 years they've said "we're right on track!" As we lose hundreds of millions and ultimately need to be bought.
If this was being "right on track", I'd hate to see what it looks like to be "off track".
Thank god AK stepped in, hopefully the DOJ (Maybe even the guy who was hired illegally) will let this go through in 3 weeks without a word.
Just remember, adding one route, to Salt Lake City, is a big win for this team. The bar is pretty low.
I'd guess a bit of right sizing the fleet. Maybe from a little push from AK?
07-16-2024, 01:57 PM
#87
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Just gaslighting from Koapaka management "team".
They've been doing this for some time. For the last 2 years they've said "we're right on track!" As we lose hundreds of millions and ultimately need to be bought.
If this was being "right on track", I'd hate to see what it looks like to be "off track".
Thank god AK stepped in, hopefully the DOJ (Maybe even the guy who was hired illegally) will let this go through in 3 weeks without a word.
Just remember, adding one route, to Salt Lake City, is a big win for this team. The bar is pretty low.
I'd guess a bit of right sizing the fleet. Maybe from a little push from AK?
They've been doing this for some time. For the last 2 years they've said "we're right on track!" As we lose hundreds of millions and ultimately need to be bought.
If this was being "right on track", I'd hate to see what it looks like to be "off track".
Thank god AK stepped in, hopefully the DOJ (Maybe even the guy who was hired illegally) will let this go through in 3 weeks without a word.
Just remember, adding one route, to Salt Lake City, is a big win for this team. The bar is pretty low.
I'd guess a bit of right sizing the fleet. Maybe from a little push from AK?
VAX glad to see your still walking the truth! I guess no changes at HA since I left?
Hopefully, AS will terminate all pilot managers who continue to blow money knowing HA is in the worst shape in history. I'm still in shock that the same pilot managers are around after all the money they are burning, complete incompetence! I wish you guys and gals the best of luck, at least you will get a new management group and an MEC that isn't working for management!!!
In Unity...
07-16-2024, 02:06 PM
#88
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Joined APC: Mar 2011
Position: 737 FO
Posts: 2,586
330s are gone. Management has trouble handling the 737 training department already and will switch to a 2 fleet 787 and 737 in no time. On a personal note, I would rather take the dreamliner over an old 330 but who cares what I think. Sadly, lot of old timers here who are counting down on retirement won't even get a chance to fly the 78 and lot of other folks like me are comfortable where we are at. A 2 year seat lock and being on reserve or a **** line on the 78 is something many of us do NOT want. I suspect a lot of new hires will not have fun being on reserve forever with a WB. Time will tell.
07-16-2024, 02:19 PM
#89
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It will take YEARS to get enough airplanes to replace the 330s and 717s and that's not even accounting for any growth. I don't see any aircraft going away for at least 3 years. At that point they may start talking about a 717 replacement, but as someone said those aircraft are mostly paid for so I don't see it happening until it becomes economically beneficial.
07-16-2024, 02:47 PM
#90
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Yep. Hence the repeated message of keeping things separate for a while. Integration, particularly fleet integration, will take a long time considering Boeings molasses delivery schedule.
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