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Old 06-08-2024, 11:18 AM
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It's 5-6 minutes to start both motors on a MAX + 3 minutes of warmup before takeoff.
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Old 06-08-2024, 12:25 PM
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Sounds like some used 700s would work well.
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Old 06-08-2024, 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Cruz5350
Probably went out on one it’s very common on this fleet.
I'm sure you're right.

Forgot to mention our first engine took 2 minutes 20 seconds to start. The second one took 2:15. Both of them motored for a little over 90 seconds.

Doesn't seem much different while I'm here on my computer but it sure feels like an eternity in the airplane.
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Old 06-08-2024, 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by hydrostream
I'm sure you're right.

Forgot to mention our first engine took 2 minutes 20 seconds to start. The second one took 2:15. Both of them motored for a little over 90 seconds.

Doesn't seem much different while I'm here on my computer but it sure feels like an eternity in the airplane.
Especially when it’s go home leg and you’re just sitting watching it for an eternity like you said lol.
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Originally Posted by DenainaPilot
Sounds like some used 700s would work well.
Good luck finding any.
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Old 06-11-2024, 11:56 AM
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the argument that +/- 2-4 minutes of engine startup time financially justifies operating a completely seperate fleet type doesn't hold up. We do basically the exact same thing (with the dimension of mountains, snow, ice, non-radar airspace, wind storms, short runways, RNP, etc etc etc) up and down SE Alsaka all day long, 365 days a year in a 737 (to include the Max)..... works fine.
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Old 06-11-2024, 12:07 PM
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I still don't understand why a certain group of AS pilots are always in such a rush? We get paid by the minute. Also I haven't done a trip where I wasn't waiting on a gate or the hotel van in years. I did a trip yesterday out of Cargo 5 and it was a complete disaster.

Who cares how long it takes to start the engines? Everything else takes ages.
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Old 06-11-2024, 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by AKCattleCarrier
the argument that +/- 2-4 minutes of engine startup time financially justifies operating a completely seperate fleet type doesn't hold up. We do basically the exact same thing (with the dimension of mountains, snow, ice, non-radar airspace, wind storms, short runways, RNP, etc etc etc) up and down SE Alsaka all day long, 365 days a year in a 737 (to include the Max)..... works fine.
And I'm sure that will eventually be the case, but to assume any Hawaiin fleet type is gonna get axed quickly is just silly. We can't get airplanes to cover the flying we currently have on our plate. What that looks like in a couple years and beyond is just guesswork at this point. I wouldn't expect any fleet changes to happen before that, and it certainly won't happen quickly. The only caveat to that would be the 330F if the numbers don't work out.
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Old 06-11-2024, 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by GoodJet
I still don't understand why a certain group of AS pilots are always in such a rush? We get paid by the minute. Also I haven't done a trip where I wasn't waiting on a gate or the hotel van in years. I did a trip yesterday out of Cargo 5 and it was a complete disaster.

Who cares how long it takes to start the engines? Everything else takes ages.
Way to totally disregard the conversation. The only reason start times are being discussed is in regards to the quick turns required of the inter-island flying.
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Old 06-11-2024, 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by word302
Way to totally disregard the conversation. The only reason start times are being discussed is in regards to the quick turns required of the inter-island flying.
So the operation interisland will somehow magically function better than the operation now? It won't. Being a hero and saving 2 minutes doesn't matter when you have to wait 2-5X that to get rampers.
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