Aloha from a Hawaiian Pilot
06-01-2024, 01:13 PM
#32
Line Holder
Joined APC: Sep 2023
Position: 737 FO
Posts: 66
This is our reality until the situation at Boeing turns around. Once the engine inlet design is finalized: 480 market days until FAA approval. So even with the project finished it will be at minimum two years until the FAA stamps the paperwork. Thankfully we don't have any MAX 7s on order. This will affect the MAX 10s though. Also Boeing is not authorized to increase production of the MAX 8 or 9. So the delivery schedule won't be looking good for a long time. No hiring or movement for a few years.
06-01-2024, 01:51 PM
#33
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2018
Posts: 269
I would like to add on to this that HA is aproximately 20% overstaffed for current flying according to their own forum. Nearly half of their seniority list commutes from CONUS, LOWER 48, MAINLAND, STATESIDE (whatever term doesn't offend Hawaiian sensibilities) to HNL according to their own forum. 717's are old and innefiicient, A330-200s are old and inneficient, 787's have production problems as well, and Amazon contract is a 50/50 at best business proposition that Alaska will want to keep around, merger math is never 1+1= 2, and the possiblity of flailing global demand for travel. Hope you like where you are on the seniority list. As someone sitting just under upgrade, its a significant dissapointment. My gut tells me this merger will prohibit me from getting out at 60 as I was hoping. I have no one to blame but myself for staying and should have trusted my gut and made the leap 4+ years ago when I saw all the 2nd and 3rd order negative effects the VA merger had on this pilot group from both sides of the aisle. In hindsight the correct decision seems obvious.
That’s hard to believe. Where are you getting that info?
that’s huge if true…
06-01-2024, 02:06 PM
#34
Prime Minister/Moderator
Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: Engines Turn Or People Swim
Posts: 40,016
06-01-2024, 02:06 PM
#35
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Joined APC: Apr 2022
Posts: 1,155
IF true, more than half of that half is hired in the last 18 months. CVG hires or HNL based new hires unwilling to risk a move being junior in all the uncertainties to the islands.
06-01-2024, 02:10 PM
#36
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2021
Posts: 248
It's not that significant for sure. They put out a chart at the beginning of covid and it was 706 HI, 161 mainland. Now that we are 300 more pilots and have ~120 freight pilots, it's maybe like 700-800 HI, 300-400 mainland. Definetely not 50/50
06-01-2024, 03:07 PM
#37
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2019
Posts: 106
Also, the 20% over staffing is correcting itself daily with the 321’s back flying and the 330F and 787’s coming on property. It sounds like we’ll be properly staffed by Q3 of this year.
06-02-2024, 09:30 PM
#39
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Joined APC: Mar 2022
Posts: 669
I'm pretty sure this changed to prevent senior pilots from burning up their sick leave before retirement.
06-02-2024, 10:00 PM
#40
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Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: Engines Turn Or People Swim
Posts: 40,016
Changed a lot recently. When I started working you got .25 on the dollar when you retired. Now there is a ratio of what you get to keep. Once you get to like 800hrs of sick leave you keep the dollar value 1:1. For less you keep less. I don't remember what the exact values were.
I'm pretty sure this changed to prevent senior pilots from burning up their sick leave before retirement.
I'm pretty sure this changed to prevent senior pilots from burning up their sick leave before retirement.
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