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Old 06-17-2024, 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Jet J
What if they just hired to fill the needed vacancies in SFO? Instead of effing with other bases pilots?
Crazy idea, I know.
They probably figure that most folks in ANC really want to be there, and will just grit their teetth and serve their out their SFO sentence in hopes of better days.

Poeple who actually *want* to be in SFO will leave for UAL.
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Old 06-17-2024, 01:33 PM
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The spreadsheet is nearsighted and I'd hope Alaska doesnt follow Mesa logic.
Pretty much how Alaska operates, whatever is the lowest cost path to accomplish managements goals, about like any company I guess. If their calculus says displacing FOs and or down grading captains saves them money then they absolutely will do so.
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Old 06-17-2024, 01:40 PM
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We are supposedly in the biggest summer flying schedule we have ever had. We need 25 FOs in SFO today, yesterday, 4 months ago. This is all irrelevant in 4 months. A late July bid for a what, October effective? This talk of "no downgrades and I hope we don't furlough" is literal insanty thinking. Spirit is in real trouble and they are opening bases and telling the world that they are not declaring bankruptsy. We are in the black and doing fantastic and yet we are on the brink!? Where is this talk coming from?
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Old 06-17-2024, 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
They probably figure that most folks in ANC really want to be there, and will just grit their teetth and serve their out their SFO sentence in hopes of better days.

Poeple who actually *want* to be in SFO will leave for UAL.
If this is true then it's going to be a very long sentence for many. Look at ANC retirement projections and also look at the spreadsheet results of the last vacancy bid where you can see what people listed for their first choice. Not pretty.
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Originally Posted by flysnoopy76
Pretty much how Alaska operates, whatever is the lowest cost path to accomplish managements goals, about like any company I guess. If their calculus says displacing FOs and or down grading captains saves them money then they absolutely will do so.
The science of management (bean counting). That's certainly the history.

But the best road to success is actually art AND science... the art is in the intangible hard-to-quantify human factors. Such as the future retention and recruiting impact of goodwill, or badwill.

The art component has to be carefully constrained though. Too much of that gets you way out on a limb where 5% succeed in a spectacular fashion and earn the "visionary" honorific. While the other 95% fail spectacularly.
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Originally Posted by MinRest
We are supposedly in the biggest summer flying schedule we have ever had. We need 25 FOs in SFO today, yesterday, 4 months ago.
They have them, if ANC is over-stocked. They'll make bank too, every reserve block will start and end with a five hour DHD. Ask me how I know.

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This is all irrelevant in 4 months. A late July bid for a what, October effective?
Winter holiday season?
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Old 06-17-2024, 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
They probably figure that most folks in ANC really want to be there, and will just grit their teetth and serve their out their SFO sentence in hopes of better days.

Poeple who actually *want* to be in SFO will leave for UAL.
Except ANC FOs will be displacing SEA FOs.
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Except ANC FOs will be displacing SEA FOs.
I think they'll be displacing a bunch of unfilled vacancies. Otherwise it's a furlough because junior SFO FO's can't displace anyone.
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
I think they'll be displacing a bunch of unfilled vacancies. Otherwise it's a furlough because junior SFO FO's can't displace anyone.
there are no unfilled vacancies. They were reduced to zero recently.

but, as long as vacancies equal reductions, no one is furloughed.
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
I think they'll be displacing a bunch of unfilled vacancies. Otherwise it's a furlough because junior SFO FO's can't displace anyone.
Why hello, unintended consequences. Good to see you again.

Displacements are a Pandora's Box.
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