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Old 06-06-2024, 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Sounds like the issue is LCR pilots not being available per the rules. Maybe some gaming the new system? I don't think they are over-staffed on reserves, since they allowed only a handful of VLOA's in specific base/seat.
My guess is a combination of that and commuteres getting converted to short call and not commuting in, or commuting in late. At least that's what I read from the tea leaves that were being hammered on.
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Old 06-06-2024, 11:47 AM
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So you son't think more people would bail if they were stuck in SFO in perpetuity? I'm still not sure that's sound logic. Also attrition has slowed because hiring slowed. We're not hiring people that want to be elsewhere because we're not hiring.
That will be the plight of every junior base at every airline. UAL, AAL, DAL are back to hiring. People being frustrated at being junior based, don't know how airlines work.
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Old 06-06-2024, 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by MinRest
That will be the plight of every junior base at every airline. UAL, AAL, DAL are back to hiring. People being frustrated at being junior based, don't know how airlines work.
Sure but there's movement everywhere else, that's my point. Why would you come here to fly a 73 in SFO For years possibly when you can go do whatever you want within a year or so at United?
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Old 06-06-2024, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by word302
Sure but there's movement everywhere else, that's my point. Why would you come here to fly a 73 in SFO For years possibly when you can go do whatever you want within a year or so at United?
So what should we do? Not hire because people might leave for United? Close SFO? What do you propose?
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Old 06-06-2024, 12:07 PM
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So what should we do? Not hire because people might leave for United? Close SFO? What do you propose?
Stop trying to grow SFO to an unsustainable size. The left seat staffing isn't a problem because that tends to be where most of the long range commuters go. Why would you come here as a new FO if you were going to commute accross the country? This isn't really rocket science.
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Old 06-06-2024, 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by word302
Stop trying to grow SFO to an unsustainable size. The left seat staffing isn't a problem because that tends to be where most of the long range commuters go. Why would you come here as a new FO if you were going to commute accross the country? This isn't really rocket science.
You wouldn't go to any AS base if you were commuting across the country. If you are commuting, it doesn't matter what base you go to if you don't live in base. SFO can be sustainable but when the newest pilots leave for other airlines, and those same new pilots are all going to SFO, of course SFO will continually be understaffed.
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Originally Posted by Cholla6918
It sounds like Alaska is starting to have an influence over here at HA…there is talk of a displacement bid coming out soon. I’m assuming they are trying to lean things out with an impending approval…
What are you hearing that would justify a displacement? What's the jist of the reasoning?
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What are you hearing that would justify a displacement? What's the jist of the reasoning?
The displacement will be the result of all the “held in excess” returning to the line (FT instructors, etc…). Now that the company no longer has contractural guardrails on how many NSL instructors we have, there is little incentive to keep seniority list instructors around. Also, the company is now saying there will be basically no training for all of 2025. We all know that’s impossible…it’s a way to put a pin in things until the merger goes through. The rumor has it, Alaska wants their guys to be able to staff the freighter flying also…
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Originally Posted by Cholla6918
The displacement will be the result of all the “held in excess” returning to the line (FT instructors, etc…). Now that the company no longer has contractural guardrails on how many NSL instructors we have, there is little incentive to keep seniority list instructors around. Also, the company is now saying there will be basically no training for all of 2025. We all know that’s impossible…it’s a way to put a pin in things until the merger goes through. The rumor has it, Alaska wants their guys to be able to staff the freighter flying also…
Oh man, shootz, I don't hear that stuff inter island. Yes I agree with you, we will still have to hire and train for the few 787s we'll continue to get. +/- the freighter.

Maybe Alaska can bid on the 737 freight flying that Atlas gave up for Amazon.
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Old 06-06-2024, 03:10 PM
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Any guess on why HA is down over 6% after hours? I can't find any news reports.
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