Alaska buying Hawaiian airlines.
05-11-2024, 11:23 PM
#821
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USAir was forced to give up Star Alliance when they merged with American.
It's about codeshare trusts. There's already coordination between AA and AS regarding who flies which routes. Take a look at Alaska's quick retreat from LAX transcons for example.
If 3 of 6 carriers can collude on Hawaii routes, then that represents an opportunity to fix the market. DOJ will focus heavily on how the codeshare agreement operates, beyond selling tickets on each other's planes.
Maybe the alliance membership stays intact, with a lot of guardrails. But codesharing and market coordination between carriers? Can't happen. Which is why I'm leaning that they'll just throw the whole thing out.
It's about codeshare trusts. There's already coordination between AA and AS regarding who flies which routes. Take a look at Alaska's quick retreat from LAX transcons for example.
If 3 of 6 carriers can collude on Hawaii routes, then that represents an opportunity to fix the market. DOJ will focus heavily on how the codeshare agreement operates, beyond selling tickets on each other's planes.
Maybe the alliance membership stays intact, with a lot of guardrails. But codesharing and market coordination between carriers? Can't happen. Which is why I'm leaning that they'll just throw the whole thing out.
05-11-2024, 11:52 PM
#822
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You guys are starting to sound like OTZ.
05-12-2024, 12:02 AM
#823
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USAir was forced to give up Star Alliance when they merged with American.
It's about codeshare trusts. There's already coordination between AA and AS regarding who flies which routes. Take a look at Alaska's quick retreat from LAX transcons for example.
If 3 of 6 carriers can collude on Hawaii routes, then that represents an opportunity to fix the market. DOJ will focus heavily on how the codeshare agreement operates, beyond selling tickets on each other's planes.
Maybe the alliance membership stays intact, with a lot of guardrails. But codesharing and market coordination between carriers? Can't happen. Which is why I'm leaning that they'll just throw the whole thing out.
It's about codeshare trusts. There's already coordination between AA and AS regarding who flies which routes. Take a look at Alaska's quick retreat from LAX transcons for example.
If 3 of 6 carriers can collude on Hawaii routes, then that represents an opportunity to fix the market. DOJ will focus heavily on how the codeshare agreement operates, beyond selling tickets on each other's planes.
Maybe the alliance membership stays intact, with a lot of guardrails. But codesharing and market coordination between carriers? Can't happen. Which is why I'm leaning that they'll just throw the whole thing out.
US Air wasn't forced to give up anything, they disappeared and became AA.
Someone mentioned the math before, 3 becomes 2 and 6 becomes 5 doesn't it?
05-12-2024, 07:33 PM
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were they still in the Star Alliance? Yes.
So who's new to the industry??
Last edited by Neosporin; 05-12-2024 at 08:08 PM.
05-13-2024, 10:50 PM
#826
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Who gives a flying rat's ass about alliances. Focus on the stuff that matters.
Absoluty zero has changed since alaskan joined one world
Absoluty zero has changed since alaskan joined one world
05-14-2024, 02:45 PM
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There's plausible deniability about closing routes that are "unprofitable" but also happen to overlap into our alliance partner's hubs. Out of LAX, AS stopped flying to every AA hub.
Also, ORD-ZIH is obviously in coordination with One World.
The fact of the matter is that One World does coordinate who flies where. And anti-trust will not look kindly upon that.
Last edited by ReluctantEskimo; 05-14-2024 at 03:06 PM.
05-14-2024, 03:45 PM
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yeah.. about that.
https://i.imgur.com/uX8qSLk.png
There's plausible deniability about closing routes that are "unprofitable" but also happen to overlap into our alliance partner's hubs. Out of LAX, AS stopped flying to every AA hub.
Also, ORD-ZIH is obviously in coordination with One World.
The fact of the matter is that One World does coordinate who flies where. And anti-trust will not look kindly upon that.
https://i.imgur.com/uX8qSLk.png
There's plausible deniability about closing routes that are "unprofitable" but also happen to overlap into our alliance partner's hubs. Out of LAX, AS stopped flying to every AA hub.
Also, ORD-ZIH is obviously in coordination with One World.
The fact of the matter is that One World does coordinate who flies where. And anti-trust will not look kindly upon that.
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