Alaska buying Hawaiian airlines.
05-09-2024, 09:12 PM
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Sorry to be Debbie Downer but I'm taking all this one day at a time. Getting the merger approved by a very hostile DOJ is a long way off from 40 widebodies.
Until then. This is how I view it:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6qqH...RzY2YzcmxhMQ==
Until then. This is how I view it:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6qqH...RzY2YzcmxhMQ==
“Oct. 19 Shareholders of Spirit Airlines voted in favor of JetBlue's takeover offer, moving the companies closer to creating the nation's fifth-largest carrier. Oct. 31, The U.S. argued that JetBlue's acquisition of Spirit Airlines will 2023 lead to higher fares and fewer flights, as the Justice Department urged a federal judge to block the deal….”
We haven’t received any of this push back as of yet. This makes me cautiously optimistic…
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/timel...210931474.html
05-09-2024, 09:18 PM
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If you refer to the JetBlue Spirit merger time line, it doesn’t mesh with this deal at all.
“Oct. 19 Shareholders of Spirit Airlines voted in favor of JetBlue's takeover offer, moving the companies closer to creating the nation's fifth-largest carrier. Oct. 31, The U.S. argued that JetBlue's acquisition of Spirit Airlines will 2023 lead to higher fares and fewer flights, as the Justice Department urged a federal judge to block the deal….”
We haven’t received any of this push back as of yet. This makes me cautiously optimistic…
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/timel...210931474.html
“Oct. 19 Shareholders of Spirit Airlines voted in favor of JetBlue's takeover offer, moving the companies closer to creating the nation's fifth-largest carrier. Oct. 31, The U.S. argued that JetBlue's acquisition of Spirit Airlines will 2023 lead to higher fares and fewer flights, as the Justice Department urged a federal judge to block the deal….”
We haven’t received any of this push back as of yet. This makes me cautiously optimistic…
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/timel...210931474.html
So let's check that box. Then the Boeing is no longer an unmitigated *&%$ show box and we get the 787s delivered by 2027 per the delivery schedule.
Then the box with 10 additional deliveries.
Then we can talk about 40 widebodies.
05-09-2024, 09:21 PM
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Well cool. Sometime in August we will know.
So let's check that box. Then the Boeing is no longer an unmitigated *&%$ show box and we get the 787s delivered by 2027 per the delivery schedule.
Then the box with 10 additional deliveries.
Then we can talk about 40 widebodies.
So let's check that box. Then the Boeing is no longer an unmitigated *&%$ show box and we get the 787s delivered by 2027 per the delivery schedule.
Then the box with 10 additional deliveries.
Then we can talk about 40 widebodies.
On the WB front, who knows…
05-11-2024, 08:44 AM
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The Alaska & Hawaiian merger will definitely get approved. It’s a good match that helps it compete better with the Big 4. But leaving One World will definitely be a term of the merger.
05-11-2024, 09:46 AM
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Combined Alaska/Hawaiian will definitely have to leave One World. Now that the NEA has been broken up, American & Alaska in One World is the biggest anti-competitive alliance out there.
The Alaska & Hawaiian merger will definitely get approved. It’s a good match that helps it compete better with the Big 4. But leaving One World will definitely be a term of the merger.
The Alaska & Hawaiian merger will definitely get approved. It’s a good match that helps it compete better with the Big 4. But leaving One World will definitely be a term of the merger.
05-11-2024, 10:05 AM
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Combined Alaska/Hawaiian will definitely have to leave One World. Now that the NEA has been broken up, American & Alaska in One World is the biggest anti-competitive alliance out there.
The Alaska & Hawaiian merger will definitely get approved. It’s a good match that helps it compete better with the Big 4. But leaving One World will definitely be a term of the merger.
The Alaska & Hawaiian merger will definitely get approved. It’s a good match that helps it compete better with the Big 4. But leaving One World will definitely be a term of the merger.
05-11-2024, 12:42 PM
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OneWorld will be the pound of flesh required to get the DOJ's blessing. There's no way 3 out of 6 carriers to Hawaii will be allowed to remain within the same alliance.
05-11-2024, 02:07 PM
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Different jars of beans still on the same table bumping Alaska’s destinations and counties served numbers by ten and half a dozen or so respectfully.
05-11-2024, 08:16 PM
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For reference, Star Alliance before US Airways merged into AA was in what allaiance? Guess where, Star Alliance, with United, currently in the Star Alliance, airlines flying from New York to Europe and back are 11 airlines.
An airline alliance cannot be any isssue in this deal. Not that I know and neither do any of you that go on and on about a no deal because AA is in it.
If it's a thing, please enlighten us all.
05-11-2024, 10:29 PM
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What is the beef with being in One World? On and on about this is a make or break deal, why, what's the deal, does the DOJ really care?
For reference, Star Alliance before US Airways merged into AA was in what allaiance? Guess where, Star Alliance, with United, currently in the Star Alliance, airlines flying from New York to Europe and back are 11 airlines.
An airline alliance cannot be any isssue in this deal. Not that I know and neither do any of you that go on and on about a no deal because AA is in it.
If it's a thing, please enlighten us all.
For reference, Star Alliance before US Airways merged into AA was in what allaiance? Guess where, Star Alliance, with United, currently in the Star Alliance, airlines flying from New York to Europe and back are 11 airlines.
An airline alliance cannot be any isssue in this deal. Not that I know and neither do any of you that go on and on about a no deal because AA is in it.
If it's a thing, please enlighten us all.
It's about codeshare trusts. There's already coordination between AA and AS regarding who flies which routes. Take a look at Alaska's quick retreat from LAX transcons for example.
If 3 of 6 carriers can collude on Hawaii routes, then that represents an opportunity to fix the market. DOJ will focus heavily on how the codeshare agreement operates, beyond selling tickets on each other's planes.
Maybe the alliance membership stays intact, with a lot of guardrails. But codesharing and market coordination between carriers? Can't happen. Which is why I'm leaning that they'll just throw the whole thing out.
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