Originally Posted by GoodJet

I got through CQ just like I aways do. Zero issues and very little learned but thanks. No one is saying "this is too much for me." Pilots that would like to get something other than a completely unrealistic series of events with zero learning value. You'd find yourself very far into the minority opinion of last years LOE and likely the training department in general. Macho is a hazardous attidude. Something that I'd hope a modern and functional training deparment would address. Perhaps after they address the short landing issues? You see how these things manifest themselves on the line? Embarassing. Like I said I hope the people responsible for this and you wind up on a different airframe.

Originally Posted by LonesomeSky

Or he's just a troll and he knows how to push a pilot's buttons?

CQ 2024 is reasonable, still not as easy as American's or United's, but it was doable without the gouge. I think the training department got the message.

Originally Posted by rickair7777

Apparently the message had to come from the FAA. At least one instructor is rumored to have busted 2023.

Originally Posted by GoodJet

I got through CQ just like I aways do. Zero issues and very little learned but thanks. No one is saying "this is too much for me." Pilots that would like to get something other than a completely unrealistic series of events with zero learning value. You'd find yourself very far into the minority opinion of last years LOE and likely the training department in general. Macho is a hazardous attidude. Something that I'd hope a modern and functional training deparment would address. Perhaps after they address the short landing issues? You see how these things manifest themselves on the line? Embarassing. Like I said I hope the people responsible for this and you wind up on a different airframe.

Originally Posted by rickair7777

Apparently the message had to come from the FAA. At least one instructor is rumored to have busted 2023.

Originally Posted by airb320

Weird comment to make since you are assuming something you know nothing about, but no, no “gouge”… whatever that is.

Originally Posted by blackbox348

HA Guy Here 👋🏻

Hawaiian management walked past $1 hoping $1.25 was around the corner, only to find nothing, time and time again.

The truth is, Hawaiian has just been horribly mismanaged over the last few years. Just one stroll through koapaka or a day of CQ and you can see the inefficiencies. While I enjoy the money, the amount of wasteful spending on premium pay, travel, training inefficiencies etc is ridiculous. Just talk to an instructor and look at their W2…they’re working for it, but the training department alone has to be responsible for tens of thousands in losses per day.

it’s just been one bad decision after another. Unproven GTF Engines, whipsawing line service and having newbie rampers nearly total airframes, doubling down on Japan instead of growing new markets, the list goes on…

It seems like HA management is just starting to realize the mistakes they’ve made and take corrective action, they’re reactive instead of proactive.

Alaska sees the potential and with their management they can right this ship, sure some of the laid back woke culture will be lost, but right now it seems like that takes precedent before profits.

I think Hawaiian is the plug and play option for Alaska to become a true international carrier, and probably cheaper too. We have the 787/330 program, NAT Tracks, and can run an international airline. Pre-COVID and before southwests entry into the market (as they’re currently cutting more than 50% of their hawaii flying) HA was a cash cow. With this deal Alaska is basically buying us for our $900M. 1.9B for an airline with $1B cash and $900M debt…cheaper than the cost of 3 787-9. They say within the first two years they can realize over $250M in synergies…we’re a steal.

Alaska was an acquisition target, Hawaiian was an acquisition target, southwest is on the hunt and willing to play dirty. I think this marriage is the best case scenario with those airlines in the dating pool and the current views of the DOJ. This will allow the two to become a true legacy carrier and compete with the big guys while still offering a more unique experience catered to the granola eaters and surfer bruhs.

While I know I may take a hit in the short term, in the long term I am looking forward to the security and the potential this new airline has and at this point that’s all I can do. This has the potential to be really great, Hawaiians management can’t get us there…but Alaskas can.

Originally Posted by Yakattack

I think calmer heads have prevailed in terms of LOE scenarios. 2024 is a lot more realistic. I totally agree with you that it needs to be at least plausible to be able to have learning value, and frankly to be a usable fair standard for CRM/TEM evaluation. I think you'll see things improve moving forward. Call it a hunch.

Originally Posted by AltoCumulus

I came back to APC after a long absence, thinking someone might have posted something useful about PBS bidding...I was wrong. I told myself I shouldn't click on this thread because it will just be the same 1% that will be on this thread. I was right.

Did we have the same CQ? ANC-SEA with a medical emergency halfway. They obviously can't let you go all the way to SEA, as the sim session is only two hours long. In the old days, if they wanted you to go to JNU during the loft, they would have just seized one of the motors or set the cargo hold ablaze. A medical emergency has zero for the crew to do. Then they gave you an unreliable airspeed and you have to choose between JNU and SIT because those are the only two realistic diversion airports in the area. How is that scenario "unrealistic?" Last year was a long way away from the old-school jammed elevator, asymmetrical TE flap, unsafe gear indication, and dual FMC failure with cargo smoke on rollout scenario that was the norm of the day.

As far as seniority at AS/HA going forward, the ALPA default is DOH, as stated; however, this is negotiable. The snap date for the Virgin/AS merger was the date the merger closed (NOT announced) by agreement of the parties.

Originally Posted by AltoCumulus

Did we have the same CQ? ANC-SEA with a medical emergency halfway. They obviously can't let you go all the way to SEA, as the sim session is only two hours long. In the old days, if they wanted you to go to JNU during the loft, they would have just seized one of the motors or set the cargo hold ablaze. A medical emergency has zero for the crew to do. Then they gave you an unreliable airspeed and you have to choose between JNU and SIT because those are the only two realistic diversion airports in the area. How is that scenario "unrealistic?" Last year was a long way away from the old-school jammed elevator, asymmetrical TE flap, unsafe gear indication, and dual FMC failure with cargo smoke on rollout scenario that was the norm of the day.