fostro

Ok let's think of your "Dream" business plan, nothing will change interisland and we will have the same number of pilots based in HI. LOL... May I remind everyone about the visitor numbers to the islands, it's been cut in half since pre-COVID. Go do your homework and stop grazing and hoping our lives won't change. You should be focused on who is representing us as our MEC and negotiators.

Just Reality, in Unity...

GreatBigSea

I get it, but one MEC's "reasonable" may seem like cuckoo for cocoa puffs to the other pilot group. I certainly remember those feelings during the AS/VX merger, its just the nature of SLIs. (99% sure that was baseball style, but its been a few years)

Rama

Visitor count in 2022 was 9 million and change. 2019 was just over a million more.
Less, but much more than half.

WindWalker999

Whoa brother, I never shared any business plan or opinion with you, much less a "dream"! I simply questioned yours. Also congratulations on getting "cancelled" from Voggers (per your earlier post). THAT is impressive!!
If you are interested in considering a competing narrative to your own point of view, this article summarizes a reasonable one:

http://tinyurl.com/HAL2024SeekingAlpha

In unity, brother!

vaxedtothemax

Anyone who thinks nothing will change in HNL and all positions, seats and a/c will stay the same at HA....is dellusional.

There will be pilots eventually forced to current AK bases/737's etc. Pilots will eventually lose their WB seats if they don't want to relocate. HA was/is in trouble, AK threw us a lifeline, we don't have much of a leg to stand on in terms of demanding the world. The CEO's talk of brand/community, keeping jobs in HI is all talk when $$ gets involved. Our new CEO will do what his management team thinks is best for shareholders (which I agree with as far as staying viable). Our MEC will do what they figure is best for their future. Our lead negotiator lives in Maine. He'll negotiate whatever he can to keep from commuting to HI, or get himself a new position with ALPA National.

2+ decades of airline work, several company changes through no fault of my own. It's just business, we're all cogs. CEO's couldn't care less about how much we like or want an Airbus cockpit over a 737. Or how much a local boy from the North Shore wants to stay in HI.

I think a great game would be for everybody here to put their # of airline jobs/experience, number of years in the industry, at the bottom of their posts. I'd be willing to bet most don't even know of some of the airlines others of us have worked for or remember dissolving. Contin., ATA,COeX, ACA, ASA, Aloha, Chicago Express, Song, Midway, Ted, NWA, USAir, TWA, Business Ex, CHQ, Comair, Independance, Airtran, Mesaba, Pinnacle, Compass... that's just a small list I thought of, while sipping the last of my coffee, that I've witnessed go by the wayside. Things change, that's just the way it is. Many at HA think that because we throw a lot of shaka's out and say Aloha over and over, that we are impervious to the change that is coming.

Neosporin

America West, Carnival, Planet, Gemini, Fine, Arrow, Emery, Centurion, Evergreen, World, Midwest Express, Hooters Air, National #2, Air Midwest, Mid Atlantic, there are others, these all shut down in the early 2000s.

Akamai

Few more I can think of: Champion, USA3000, Transmeridian, Astar, Skybus, Pan Am 2 & 3.

fuzzball

Is your point really that because a bunch of flash in the pan startups failed, HA employees should just shrug and be cool with their lives being thrown into turmoil because the board made a terrible choice when choosing the latest CEO? The airline has been in far worse trouble before. This is a fabricated emergency, which we know from the financials and statements made at recent investor calls.

Akamai

I wasn’t making any point, just naming a few more airlines I remember that weren’t mentioned.

If I was making a point it would be that the toothpaste isn’t going back in the tube no matter how much you or I want it to. Yeah, two previous bankruptcies (and one was a sham) in our 95 years. Sucks we aren’t gonna remain independent but from my vantage point all we can do is actually unify and chart the best course forward now.

Rainbows and waterfalls again today in Hawaii Nei!

Neosporin

Well I appreciate the thoughts of airlines in the past. 👍🏻
Yes wow, Champion was a favorite of pilots from Minni! I was thinking of Pan Am and all of its versions.
Astar (DHL OG). Yes Skybus was short lived. Even Midway had like 3 versions I think. Oh a few more, Ryan International, North American, and Reno.