Alaska buying Hawaiian airlines.
01-02-2024, 02:39 PM
#431
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You are correct, my apologies, it is my "Opinion". I don't have margins or insider numbers, however, HA employees have access to investor reports and HA communications. Financial reports and HA communications were clear that our load factors from the coast are down, they do mention it's higher than LUV (which means nothing to us). In my opinion, interisland flights will be cut by 50% and picked up by two-leg 737 flights. Maybe a small fleet of 717s until they are sent to the boneyard.
The bigger threat, in my "Opinion," is our MEC and negotiating leadership, this group will be working on our future. Think of all the LOAs, B scales, and givebacks that have been done by this group. If we think it will change we are all on the IV KOOLAIDE!
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The bigger threat, in my "Opinion," is our MEC and negotiating leadership, this group will be working on our future. Think of all the LOAs, B scales, and givebacks that have been done by this group. If we think it will change we are all on the IV KOOLAIDE!
"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter" MLK
In Unity...
01-02-2024, 05:02 PM
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Working on Holidays, in Unity...
01-02-2024, 07:27 PM
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Best way to SLI is to agree to "baseball style" of arbitration to the abitrator where both MEC's have to present what they believe to be the "most generous" in integrations. The arbitrator then picks one side that they deem as the most reasonable. Otherwise both sides go to the extreme and haggle it out on every part of the SLI.
01-02-2024, 10:25 PM
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You clearly don’t know who Alaska operates…operating in the Red is not something they do or would be willing to do. Have you seen the Alaska financials?
01-02-2024, 10:51 PM
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....Understanding that your forecast is firmly grounded in opinion with no finance background, would be very curious to hear your thesis for the business case you present. Makes a lot of sense to me. Particularly the part about buying a bunch of Interisland airplanes that are paid-in-full owned and subsequently cutting said Interisland schedule by half. This is effectively paying money to gift that market to SWA. We know that Alaska and SWA have a lot of close partnerships like this, yes?
Thinking ahead to future tax-loss harvesting against the profits they are making elsewhere perhaps? Probably, definitely that!
01-03-2024, 03:48 AM
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Best way to SLI is to agree to "baseball style" of arbitration to the abitrator where both MEC's have to present what they believe to be the "most generous" in integrations. The arbitrator then picks one side that they deem as the most reasonable. Otherwise both sides go to the extreme and haggle it out on every part of the SLI.
My understanding is that with the modern computing power available, the abitrator can now throw in all the data, set the various parameters with weightings as desired, and the computer will effortlessly provide various options along with an analysis of those results.
I bet that once the final list is published, along with the rational for its determination, there won't be many people that'll be arguing about it.
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01-03-2024, 04:03 AM
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No different I don't think, from most pilots who, having flown both types, were then given a choice of one or the other, assuming routes, base, and QOL opportunities were similar.
Just ask a few AS pilots who were 737 drivers prior to being on the Bus.
01-03-2024, 06:34 AM
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While the abitrator will obviously have to listen to each side's position, I don't think that (s)he has to, or is going to limit his choice to one or the other.
My understanding is that with the modern computing power available, the abitrator can now throw in all the data, set the various parameters with weightings as desired, and the computer will effortlessly provide various options along with an analysis of those results.
I bet that once the final list is published, along with the rational for its determination, there won't be many people that'll be arguing about it.
My understanding is that with the modern computing power available, the abitrator can now throw in all the data, set the various parameters with weightings as desired, and the computer will effortlessly provide various options along with an analysis of those results.
I bet that once the final list is published, along with the rational for its determination, there won't be many people that'll be arguing about it.
Using the baseball style proceedings at least forces the MEC's to be the most reasonable when integrating their version of the list and makes the outcome voluntarily much closer to the expected outcome. But hey, good luck with the SLI, they always seem to create division and animosity.
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