PineappleXpres

Dee-Oh-Jay what?!

MinRest

AA literally can't merge or buy anyone.

rickair7777

Yeah, AA is least likely to get DOJ approval for any merger. Except maybe merging with WO regionals.

MinRest

I honestly don't see AA being approved without issue, even if it was a WO...

AA is too big to be approved to get even bigger. If AA caked its pants it would be a significant world impact to travel and commerce. I can't see the DOJ approving anything. It certainly won't be another major airline. No way in hell...

rickair7777

They could proably get approved to bring the WO's in house because there's no competition since all flying is controlled by AA anyway. They would make the case that it would impove pilot retention and therefore consumer service.

GreenPatures

The ALPA CAREER EXPECTATIONS guideline for mergers is interesting. Some reasonable expectations:
1). WB Flying as discussed, no one joined AS expecting to fly WB with them. Will likely result in fences as already discussed a lot here.
2) Basing. No one at HA expected to have a domicile other than HNL except maybe a few who chose freight recently. Likewise I expect no one at AS expected HNL as a domicile.
3). Interisland flying. I am guessing no one accepted a job with AS expecting to bounce around interisland based out of HNL, or be in a HNL base in a non-commutable plane (not in practical terms) paying HI state taxes (required for 717 since all flying in HI), HI living expenses, making less than every other platform and working harder (321 crews deadhead on a 717 to OGG and do a flight to and from the mainland and come back to OGG, deadhead to HNL all in less total time than an overnight 717 pairing, but with more credit, more pay, only 2 landings vs. 10-12-ish, and often not paying HI taxes), I expect 717 to go even more junior as no one at AS wanted it in the first place (or they would have come to HA) and is already the most junior at HA. If the walls are dropped I would expect some mid to senior 7171 might leave to the 737 from 717 land, making it even more junior, but will be interesting. And no one at HA expected to fly around the mainland with passengers other than to and from HNL.
4). Upgrade times, I expect some different expectations here as well, but not sure on the AS side.

The only sort of similar flying is the 737 to HNL and back from the mainland vs the A321neo flying and some of the mainland A330 flying, but most of the flying is different so not sure how that filters into JCBA language to meet the Career Expectations guidelines. There are more I am sure, but these were thoughts I had, posted here just to get some thoughts from AS folks as I don't know their expectations when they joined AS.

rickair7777

I was told by someone with ALPA merger experience that bases are not normally fenced in mergers. Don't know why, or if it's strictly precluded.

But I can see that the potential beneficiaries of a base fence might be concerned that their planes could get quickly re-based, negating any benefit of the fence.

MinRest

I could see fences on bases in this case. Not guaranteed of course but it wouldn't surprise me. How many HA pilots commute to HNL?

PineappleXpres

Do the fenced base crews pay an SLI tax? What’s the merger policy or precedent on that in arbitration I wonder.

vaxedtothemax

I'd say a couple hundred out of a little less than 1200... There may be more just waiting for freight or some other event. HI just ain't what is was.