Originally Posted by ImperialxRat

At Alaska some of our LOA's are (I'm doing a brief scan of them):
One agrees on new uniforms and that the company will pay for the initial uniform purchase, one adds Christmas Eve to the list of holiday pay days, one allows reserves to pick up open time on days off for additional pay, one related to trip trading counting total reserves for the day instead of limiting it by reserve zone coverage, one pays us out for unused sick time (we did not have any payout befor), one adds co-terminal bases to the LAX base (we currently only have trips being built out of SNA but the LOA includes ONT, BUR, and LGB), one is related to when a new captain gets captain pay if finishing training before the bid effective date of the award, one is related to forming an ARCC (adequate reserve coverage committee) since that was always some ambiguous number that prevented trip trading, one related to fatigue call out process, military leave extension LOA, extended leaves of absence LOA, incentive line LOA, one related to company electronic devices and that they won't track our data usage or use it to spy on us, fixing retirement benefits for furloughed pilots, commuter pilot program where you get nonrev priority if you're a commuter, one for 150% pay on a freighter trip if they change the trip order or add segments, one lists code share partners, one is our HIMS program (we should get that negotiated in the contract), one for PBS, one for market rate adjustment, etc.

Over-all I feel like LOA's are usually beneficial to the pilots, over on this side of the Pacific anyway.

Originally Posted by ImperialxRat

At Alaska some of our LOA's are (I'm doing a brief scan of them):
One agrees on new uniforms and that the company will pay for the initial uniform purchase, one adds Christmas Eve to the list of holiday pay days, one allows reserves to pick up open time on days off for additional pay, one related to trip trading counting total reserves for the day instead of limiting it by reserve zone coverage, one pays us out for unused sick time (we did not have any payout befor), one adds co-terminal bases to the LAX base (we currently only have trips being built out of SNA but the LOA includes ONT, BUR, and LGB), one is related to when a new captain gets captain pay if finishing training before the bid effective date of the award, one is related to forming an ARCC (adequate reserve coverage committee) since that was always some ambiguous number that prevented trip trading, one related to fatigue call out process, military leave extension LOA, extended leaves of absence LOA, incentive line LOA, one related to company electronic devices and that they won't track our data usage or use it to spy on us, fixing retirement benefits for furloughed pilots, commuter pilot program where you get nonrev priority if you're a commuter, one for 150% pay on a freighter trip if they change the trip order or add segments, one lists code share partners, one is our HIMS program (we should get that negotiated in the contract), one for PBS, one for market rate adjustment, etc.

Over-all I feel like LOA's are usually beneficial to the pilots, over on this side of the Pacific anyway.

Originally Posted by Akamai

It looks like at HAL we have had 12 LOA’s this year. 6 of them were part of our new PWA such as signing bonus, implementation committee, vacation payout. The remaining 6 include updates to FOQA, a new scheduling clarification form, activation pay earlier, and various improvements to freight travel and training. I don’t see any that aren’t beneficial to our pilots either.

Originally Posted by fostro

OMG, put the gallon of Kool-Aid down! You are the minority, my friend, go fly the line and you will realize how off the tracks you are. Remember 65% ratification, everyone in the industry gave nothing up except us, if this was my last airline the MEC would've been recalled the next day. Immediately after signing, we give up more with these LOAs.

-Signing bonus, that was a per diem check, the senior guys told me they got over 100k on the last round.
-Implementation committee, LOL
-FOQA updates, should be mandatory
-Scheduling Clarification we need this for sure because we gave up all our training scheduling rights.
-Activation pay earlier, why is that not mandatory OMG
-Freight credit because we threw the freight group under the bus on pay
-Training, OMG just listen to the group about training

Ok, you are either a negotiator or in management because you are on another planet. This is my first contract at HA, thank God this will be my last, AS please take the lead on negotiations we can't have this happen again.

Heads Up in Unity...

Originally Posted by GoodJet

Don't get me wrong. I appriciate where you're coming from. However for your own sanity and mental health I would check those expecations about the AS pilot group and MEC.

Originally Posted by fostro

Understood!

At this point, I would take anyone with a pulse.

Happy Holidays, in Unity...

Originally Posted by Akamai

Bruh, it’s clear you haven’t been at HAL long. Hope you find happiness somewhere. The HAL ship has left port for SEA and there is nothing you or I can do to stop it. Fighting what’s happened in the past isn’t gonna help our future. So either fish or cut bait.

Originally Posted by Akamai

Bruh, it’s clear you haven’t been at HAL long. Hope you find happiness somewhere. The HAL ship has left port for SEA and there is nothing you or I can do to stop it. Fighting what’s happened in the past isn’t gonna help our future. So either fish or cut bait.

Originally Posted by rickair7777

Yes a handful of VX transcon commuters have recently left for other airlines after 10+ years.

Most went to legacies where they can get right back into the left seat in NY, pay is about a wash, and QOL a net win without the commute. Know a couple who are probably going to stay in the right seat, since they don't need any more CA pay to get them over the retirement finish line.

This year we had one pilot go to SWA (yes the data is visible to us). Presumably lived in a SWA base, which is perfectly understandable for a junior pilot... that's the kind of thing I would do.

SWA isn't what it once was, might be again someday, but probably not while legacies are hiring gangbusters and upgrading 20-somethings.

Originally Posted by Gobows

To be fair, HAL MEC did just appoint the same team from our last NC for Hawaiian's half of the JNC, so if he had concerns about their performance, they're still valid...