Alaska buying Hawaiian airlines.
12-28-2023, 06:57 PM
#381
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Didn't I just read an article that centered around southwest management whining about pilots using Southwest to resume wash. It doesn't sound like the Hallmark of a career path is all that awesome on your side of the fence either. Sure, we have people doing the same thing, but few of our pilots are going to Southwest these days. I would imagine that number will dwindle further with the merger announcement.
12-28-2023, 07:20 PM
#382
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Are you really basing the quality of an airline job based on current upgrade times? If anything the unfilled CA vacancies tells me that QOL is deficient. Where does that put SWA in your rankings, tier 3?
12-28-2023, 10:16 PM
#383
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I hope you genuinely are doing well in your second year at Alaska. I’ve flown with guys who’ve been here for a year that were at Alaska/Virgin for 9 years and couldn’t take it any more. 🤷♂️
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12-29-2023, 05:28 AM
#384
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Personally it’s top tier. That being said it’s all in the eyes of the beholder. I got hired when Swa was still hiring the most experienced and competitive pilots. To a 23 year old new fo it’s a lot different. To each their own.
I hope you genuinely are doing well in your second year at Alaska. I’ve flown with guys who’ve been here for a year that were at Alaska/Virgin for 9 years and couldn’t take it any more. 🤷♂️
I hope you genuinely are doing well in your second year at Alaska. I’ve flown with guys who’ve been here for a year that were at Alaska/Virgin for 9 years and couldn’t take it any more. 🤷♂️
12-29-2023, 07:43 AM
#386
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At least SWA leaders are somewhat focused on making a profit.
HAL's team prays at the DEI and woke altar.
We're losing millions so the good news is we are buying Seagliders!
Total failures.
We separated and expanded Flight Training and now Flight Standards as well. More managers, yet we pay tons of pilots to sit around waiting for sim since the scheduling system is so screwed up.
HAL's team prays at the DEI and woke altar.
We're losing millions so the good news is we are buying Seagliders!
Total failures.
We separated and expanded Flight Training and now Flight Standards as well. More managers, yet we pay tons of pilots to sit around waiting for sim since the scheduling system is so screwed up.
12-29-2023, 08:20 AM
#387
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SWA was the top choice for many pilots for a long time after 9/11. Compared to everywhere else, pay, days off, job stability, and even company culture were good. Downside was long days, but many like that efficiency. I would have done it if they had a base I could drive to... and yes they called me, and yes I made a different choice. But that hinged entirely on not commuting.
12-29-2023, 08:35 AM
#388
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Most went to legacies where they can get right back into the left seat in NY, pay is about a wash, and QOL a net win without the commute. Know a couple who are probably going to stay in the right seat, since they don't need any more CA pay to get them over the retirement finish line.
This year we had one pilot go to SWA (yes the data is visible to us). Presumably lived in a SWA base, which is perfectly understandable for a junior pilot... that's the kind of thing I would do.
SWA isn't what it once was, might be again someday, but probably not while legacies are hiring gangbusters and upgrading 20-somethings.
12-29-2023, 10:09 AM
#389
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Yes a handful of VX transcon commuters have recently left for other airlines after 10+ years.
Most went to legacies where they can get right back into the left seat in NY, pay is about a wash, and QOL a net win without the commute. Know a couple who are probably going to stay in the right seat, since they don't need any more CA pay to get them over the retirement finish line.
This year we had one pilot go to SWA (yes the data is visible to us). Presumably lived in a SWA base, which is perfectly understandable for a junior pilot... that's the kind of thing I would do.
SWA isn't what it once was, might be again someday, but probably not while legacies are hiring gangbusters and upgrading 20-somethings.
Most went to legacies where they can get right back into the left seat in NY, pay is about a wash, and QOL a net win without the commute. Know a couple who are probably going to stay in the right seat, since they don't need any more CA pay to get them over the retirement finish line.
This year we had one pilot go to SWA (yes the data is visible to us). Presumably lived in a SWA base, which is perfectly understandable for a junior pilot... that's the kind of thing I would do.
SWA isn't what it once was, might be again someday, but probably not while legacies are hiring gangbusters and upgrading 20-somethings.
I don’t know anyone who wants to do 5 legs a day in a 737 for the next 30 years. Sounds awful.
12-29-2023, 10:14 AM
#390
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Wow, nice bump, Merry Christmas, hopefully, your negotiators will take charge of our new PWA.
I can't remember any win LOAs that were signed since ratification except for a bump in credit for the freighter. Unfortunately, the freighter was put on a lower pay scale than the passenger group. I still can't sleep at night over the pay difference, I was looking forward to bidding the freighter until the pay drop. I am reminded on every trip by the senior group that they got it the worst because they had to bid on a vacancy bid for the 787 with no pay rates established, then a few days later the contract was ratified @(65%) and the 787 pay rate was the same as the 330, so I really can't complain about the freight pay. LOL.
Great Info, in Unity...
I can't remember any win LOAs that were signed since ratification except for a bump in credit for the freighter. Unfortunately, the freighter was put on a lower pay scale than the passenger group. I still can't sleep at night over the pay difference, I was looking forward to bidding the freighter until the pay drop. I am reminded on every trip by the senior group that they got it the worst because they had to bid on a vacancy bid for the 787 with no pay rates established, then a few days later the contract was ratified @(65%) and the 787 pay rate was the same as the 330, so I really can't complain about the freight pay. LOL.
Great Info, in Unity...
One agrees on new uniforms and that the company will pay for the initial uniform purchase, one adds Christmas Eve to the list of holiday pay days, one allows reserves to pick up open time on days off for additional pay, one related to trip trading counting total reserves for the day instead of limiting it by reserve zone coverage, one pays us out for unused sick time (we did not have any payout befor), one adds co-terminal bases to the LAX base (we currently only have trips being built out of SNA but the LOA includes ONT, BUR, and LGB), one is related to when a new captain gets captain pay if finishing training before the bid effective date of the award, one is related to forming an ARCC (adequate reserve coverage committee) since that was always some ambiguous number that prevented trip trading, one related to fatigue call out process, military leave extension LOA, extended leaves of absence LOA, incentive line LOA, one related to company electronic devices and that they won't track our data usage or use it to spy on us, fixing retirement benefits for furloughed pilots, commuter pilot program where you get nonrev priority if you're a commuter, one for 150% pay on a freighter trip if they change the trip order or add segments, one lists code share partners, one is our HIMS program (we should get that negotiated in the contract), one for PBS, one for market rate adjustment, etc.
Over-all I feel like LOA's are usually beneficial to the pilots, over on this side of the Pacific anyway.
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