Alaska buying Hawaiian airlines.
12-19-2023, 05:49 AM
#321
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Does Hawaiian/Alaska have more synergies than Alaska/Virgin? Seems like everything I hear is that Virgin/Jetblue would have made more sense, excluding the defensive move arguments. Hawaiian/Alaska merge seems to be a whole lot better top to bottom. I guess we’ll all know in the coming months and years.
12-19-2023, 06:17 AM
#322
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Id be willing to bet they leave the Airbus alone (OEM). And they do what makes sense with the 787. Our Flt Ops side at HAL said the merging of the certificates is far simpler because of different fleet types. If you leave the 717 alone, why wouldn't they leave the 321/330 alone until phase out? They will be full OEM or 99.9% after by the end of 2024.
And for the 321's they already have a current set of guppyfied SOPs on the back burner. Somebody was asking me about a month ago why all that stuff was still available on the company portals... now we know.
Actually truth be told I mostly *like* what they did with the SOP... it's streamlined, and it simplified the inevitable transition to the 73. FCOM lives in the fleet captain's office now, and I don't miss it one bit.
I actually experienced something similar back at the regional... they synchronized SOPs across all fleets and it did make transitions easier.
12-19-2023, 06:31 AM
#323
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I've flown 2 airbus products at Hawaiian....
We currently have 3 different ways to say the logbook is onboard between the 3 operations using Airbusses. We have 2 different ways to say the windows are closed/locked/not open between 2 Airbus products. We also have no current SOP for the Captain taking over control of the airplane on rollout with the new OEM process. We're told we will have Captains discretion if needed, but no way to legally do so if something should arise. We also cannot decide on one way to tell the ground guys that they are cleared to disconnect or that we'd like the pin and salute. We spend countless hours deciding that STOP is much better then ABORT. And get dinged in the sim if we say ABORT, but have guys that struggle with a rejected landing, or still cannot remember to say Positive Rate (or positive climb depending on what month it is).
HA ops at HQ is a sh!tshow most of the time, and yet they still continuously pat themselves on the back with each memo they create. The newest one is getting the 787 "early" even though they have pushed back the date multiple times.
But we can dress in womens clothing, so there is that. And a mental health hotline if you are depressed about the acqisition...
We currently have 3 different ways to say the logbook is onboard between the 3 operations using Airbusses. We have 2 different ways to say the windows are closed/locked/not open between 2 Airbus products. We also have no current SOP for the Captain taking over control of the airplane on rollout with the new OEM process. We're told we will have Captains discretion if needed, but no way to legally do so if something should arise. We also cannot decide on one way to tell the ground guys that they are cleared to disconnect or that we'd like the pin and salute. We spend countless hours deciding that STOP is much better then ABORT. And get dinged in the sim if we say ABORT, but have guys that struggle with a rejected landing, or still cannot remember to say Positive Rate (or positive climb depending on what month it is).
HA ops at HQ is a sh!tshow most of the time, and yet they still continuously pat themselves on the back with each memo they create. The newest one is getting the 787 "early" even though they have pushed back the date multiple times.
But we can dress in womens clothing, so there is that. And a mental health hotline if you are depressed about the acqisition...
12-19-2023, 06:41 AM
#324
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FYI this has been thoroughly visited for many years by our pilot group. You are not correct, extra hours are given to the program for the FO to complete a full pushback including the extra training time for a FO taxi. Also, why aren't the Big 3 doing this? Maybe HA is on to something because we do think we are leading the industry with this. LOL.. HA is operating this now and it cost us a few million extra dollars for sim time and the like. I agree we have bigger things to think about like saving money, meanwhile, our DO and managers continue to push for the completion of full OEM on our widebodies before this deal is complete. You haven't seen the chaos that this has caused in our cockpits from the 321 pilots who are transitioning to the WB. They are confused about whose duties are who's, I just had a captain in SYD tell me he forgot it was my leg and he was waiting for me to set the brake. It is a big issue on our property but you are fortunate enough that you don't have to deal with it.
No, our pilots won't let this go because this management team is running us into the ground.
In Unity and respect, I reply....
No, our pilots won't let this go because this management team is running us into the ground.
In Unity and respect, I reply....
12-19-2023, 07:05 AM
#325
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Posts: 361
Id be willing to bet they leave the Airbus alone (OEM). And they do what makes sense with the 787. Our Flt Ops side at HAL said the merging of the certificates is far simpler because of different fleet types. If you leave the 717 alone, why wouldn't they leave the 321/330 alone until phase out? They will be full OEM or 99.9% after by the end of 2024.
Always in Unity....
12-19-2023, 07:12 AM
#327
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Posts: 361
I've flown 2 airbus products at Hawaiian....
We currently have 3 different ways to say the logbook is onboard between the 3 operations using Airbusses. We have 2 different ways to say the windows are closed/locked/not open between 2 Airbus products. We also have no current SOP for the Captain taking over control of the airplane on rollout with the new OEM process. We're told we will have Captains discretion if needed, but no way to legally do so if something should arise. We also cannot decide on one way to tell the ground guys that they are cleared to disconnect or that we'd like the pin and salute. We spend countless hours deciding that STOP is much better then ABORT. And get dinged in the sim if we say ABORT, but have guys that struggle with a rejected landing, or still cannot remember to say Positive Rate (or positive climb depending on what month it is).
HA ops at HQ is a sh!tshow most of the time, and yet they still continuously pat themselves on the back with each memo they create. The newest one is getting the 787 "early" even though they have pushed back the date multiple times.
But we can dress in womens clothing, so there is that. And a mental health hotline if you are depressed about the acqisition...
We currently have 3 different ways to say the logbook is onboard between the 3 operations using Airbusses. We have 2 different ways to say the windows are closed/locked/not open between 2 Airbus products. We also have no current SOP for the Captain taking over control of the airplane on rollout with the new OEM process. We're told we will have Captains discretion if needed, but no way to legally do so if something should arise. We also cannot decide on one way to tell the ground guys that they are cleared to disconnect or that we'd like the pin and salute. We spend countless hours deciding that STOP is much better then ABORT. And get dinged in the sim if we say ABORT, but have guys that struggle with a rejected landing, or still cannot remember to say Positive Rate (or positive climb depending on what month it is).
HA ops at HQ is a sh!tshow most of the time, and yet they still continuously pat themselves on the back with each memo they create. The newest one is getting the 787 "early" even though they have pushed back the date multiple times.
But we can dress in womens clothing, so there is that. And a mental health hotline if you are depressed about the acqisition...
SPOT ON! This is reality....
Unity....
12-19-2023, 07:28 AM
#328
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You post like a bit of a know-it-all type and post things that are your opinion as if they are fact, some are actually incorrect. "We" do not think we are leading the industry, that is your opinion so maybe "you" think that. The Chief pilot stated the transition was related to Airbus not supporting incidents for operators who do not use their OEM approved procedures...so I guess we should just go to you and assume he doesn't know better than you with your statements of "fact". If you have an opinion that is fine, please state it like opinion not like a fact, that is the misinformation problem with the internet, things like that. A recommendation, take it as you wish, if you are a true know it all then just dismiss it because you know better already. Unity does not mean you speak incorrectly your opinions as fact and we should all be behind them...if you have facts, share them, if you have opinions share them as opinions (phrase like "I think we are leading the industry..." instead of "we think we are leading the industry...")
Heads Up in Unity...
12-19-2023, 01:47 PM
#329
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Posts: 701
My apologies I forgot the DO and Chief Pilot stated the transition was related to Airbus, done deal they would never make things up. What about the PowerPoint in GS which has since been removed that stated ANA was one of the safest airlines in the world, LOL... If you don't see the FACTS in our back yard then keep your head down, graze, and follow the herd. FYI I am not a know-it-all, but I will point out the obvious, and hopefully while you are grazing you will look up now and then to see what's going on.
Heads Up in Unity...
Heads Up in Unity...
You want to fly the Airbus in selected all day, go ahead. But following the owners' manual on an airplane that's designed be flown in a particular way might be a good idea. Just my $0.02.
12-19-2023, 07:30 PM
#330
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I've flown 2 airbus products at Hawaiian....
We currently have 3 different ways to say the logbook is onboard between the 3 operations using Airbusses. We have 2 different ways to say the windows are closed/locked/not open between 2 Airbus products. We also have no current SOP for the Captain taking over control of the airplane on rollout with the new OEM process. We're told we will have Captains discretion if needed, but no way to legally do so if something should arise. We also cannot decide on one way to tell the ground guys that they are cleared to disconnect or that we'd like the pin and salute. We spend countless hours deciding that STOP is much better then ABORT. And get dinged in the sim if we say ABORT, but have guys that struggle with a rejected landing, or still cannot remember to say Positive Rate (or positive climb depending on what month it is).
HA ops at HQ is a sh!tshow most of the time, and yet they still continuously pat themselves on the back with each memo they create. The newest one is getting the 787 "early" even though they have pushed back the date multiple times.
But we can dress in womens clothing, so there is that. And a mental health hotline if you are depressed about the acqisition...
We currently have 3 different ways to say the logbook is onboard between the 3 operations using Airbusses. We have 2 different ways to say the windows are closed/locked/not open between 2 Airbus products. We also have no current SOP for the Captain taking over control of the airplane on rollout with the new OEM process. We're told we will have Captains discretion if needed, but no way to legally do so if something should arise. We also cannot decide on one way to tell the ground guys that they are cleared to disconnect or that we'd like the pin and salute. We spend countless hours deciding that STOP is much better then ABORT. And get dinged in the sim if we say ABORT, but have guys that struggle with a rejected landing, or still cannot remember to say Positive Rate (or positive climb depending on what month it is).
HA ops at HQ is a sh!tshow most of the time, and yet they still continuously pat themselves on the back with each memo they create. The newest one is getting the 787 "early" even though they have pushed back the date multiple times.
But we can dress in womens clothing, so there is that. And a mental health hotline if you are depressed about the acqisition...
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