Alaska buying Hawaiian airlines.
09-04-2024, 05:43 PM
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WB would likely be fenced for at least 10 years no matter where they are flown out of. The 5 years fences for DL/NW and UA/CO were short because both airlines had widebody planes. Also the 5 years fences started with the SLI, not the merger date. HA pilots will likely fly those WB planes no matter where they are based. FYI United asked for "base fences" for the WB planes and they were denied by the arbitrators.
I think the SLI rate is going to be 90% chance no AS pilots fly as CA anytime soon. Maybe some FOs if they can't fill all the slots with HA pilots.
I think the SLI rate is going to be 90% chance no AS pilots fly as CA anytime soon. Maybe some FOs if they can't fill all the slots with HA pilots.
Entirely likely that at least some 787's delivered after SLI will go to SEA, and be fair game for all bidders. Although they might do something like fence X number of WB's, not type-specific, to account for the possibility that 330's might leave and effectively get replaced by 787's.
Also how many HAL pilots will move for WB's? Serious question, but I guess it would depend on what options remained on the islands.
09-04-2024, 06:47 PM
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So by fence you mean would be HAL widebody captains over the next 5 years get first priority or are the lines drawn at one moment in time and everyone is SOL not in seat? If that’s the case then yeah people may move, Einstein changes his mind. That would be 10% of our pilot group in wide-body captains retiring over that period. Oh wait! 67 Nevermind.
09-04-2024, 07:49 PM
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The 787/747 Fences at United fell in about 2 years because we had slots that were not filled by Legacy Continental pilots on a bid. The CA widebody fence, of course, went the entire 5 years. If FO slots aren't being filled now then AS pilots will be able to bid into those.
09-04-2024, 07:51 PM
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FO and CA was fenced in both DAL/NWA and UAL/CAL mergers for specific widebody fleets.
09-04-2024, 07:53 PM
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I think that's all true. Except fences are not typically applied to airplanes which are not on property, as I understand it.
Entirely likely that at least some 787's delivered after SLI will go to SEA, and be fair game for all bidders. Although they might do something like fence X number of WB's, not type-specific, to account for the possibility that 330's might leave and effectively get replaced by 787's.
Also how many HAL pilots will move for WB's? Serious question, but I guess it would depend on what options remained on the islands.
Entirely likely that at least some 787's delivered after SLI will go to SEA, and be fair game for all bidders. Although they might do something like fence X number of WB's, not type-specific, to account for the possibility that 330's might leave and effectively get replaced by 787's.
Also how many HAL pilots will move for WB's? Serious question, but I guess it would depend on what options remained on the islands.
09-04-2024, 07:56 PM
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09-04-2024, 08:04 PM
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WB would likely be fenced for at least 10 years no matter where they are flown out of. The 5 years fences for DL/NW and UA/CO were short because both airlines had widebody planes. Also the 5 years fences started with the SLI, not the merger date. HA pilots will likely fly those WB planes no matter where they are based. FYI United asked for "base fences" for the WB planes and they were denied by the arbitrators.
I think the SLI rate is going to be 90% chance no AS pilots fly as CA anytime soon. Maybe some FOs if they can't fill all the slots with HA pilots.
I think the SLI rate is going to be 90% chance no AS pilots fly as CA anytime soon. Maybe some FOs if they can't fill all the slots with HA pilots.
09-04-2024, 08:26 PM
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