Alaska buying Hawaiian airlines.
09-04-2024, 11:47 AM
#1661
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That is definitely the gold plan, there will be a lot more room in BAs book over the next few months, especially for those willing to take delivery 2025 and 2026… wait for the magic, do you know what happens in a recession
09-04-2024, 01:43 PM
#1662
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Your TA rate is $375.74 on 9/25
Our 330/787 rate is $440.95 on 3/26
Your TA rate is $390.77 on 9/26
Our 330/787 rate is $454.18 on 3/27
Your 737 rates are slightly ahead of our 321 rates, your 737 rate is ~$50-60 an our less than our widebody rates. If that’s “slightly” then I’m really hoping for a slight increase in my widebody rate with the JCBA. Our widebody rates are less than DAL, but saying they are close to your 737 rates is disingenuous and laughable to this fixer-upper pilot. 🤦♂️ Let’s give unity another try!
09-04-2024, 03:15 PM
#1663
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Joined APC: Jan 2023
Posts: 85
Our 330/787 rate is $423.99 on 3/25
Your TA rate is $375.74 on 9/25
Our 330/787 rate is $440.95 on 3/26
Your TA rate is $390.77 on 9/26
Our 330/787 rate is $454.18 on 3/27
Your 737 rates are slightly ahead of our 321 rates, your 737 rate is ~$50-60 an our less than our widebody rates. If that’s “slightly” then I’m really hoping for a slight increase in my widebody rate with the JCBA. Our widebody rates are less than DAL, but saying they are close to your 737 rates is disingenuous and laughable to this fixer-upper pilot. 🤦♂️ Let’s give unity another try!
Your TA rate is $375.74 on 9/25
Our 330/787 rate is $440.95 on 3/26
Your TA rate is $390.77 on 9/26
Our 330/787 rate is $454.18 on 3/27
Your 737 rates are slightly ahead of our 321 rates, your 737 rate is ~$50-60 an our less than our widebody rates. If that’s “slightly” then I’m really hoping for a slight increase in my widebody rate with the JCBA. Our widebody rates are less than DAL, but saying they are close to your 737 rates is disingenuous and laughable to this fixer-upper pilot. 🤦♂️ Let’s give unity another try!
For the 2025 rate overlap, a mere $59.75 behind, and 2026, $42.79. We shouldn’t be comparing 2027, unless you’d like to include that we don’t even get 5 hours per day until March 2025. I believe most airlines made 5/day an entire cycle ago.
Looks like a fixer upper to me, but I’m glad you’re gloating.
09-04-2024, 03:25 PM
#1664
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Behind DAL?
They're just slightly ahead of our rates... our NB rates.
So yeah, it's a fixer-upper.
There's only one significant variable you missed and I think it could matter, a lot.
Insider rumbling is that the company wants to consumate the merger and integrate ops VERY rapidly. My understanding is that our scope requires JCBA before that can occur, so they will need to give some goodies to get a quick JCBA. Said goodies might smply be some best of breed work rules, and industry standard WB rates. It's easier to claim entitlement to industry standard, as opposed to trying to take the industry lead in a slow period.
But they're probably also considering that the legacy hiring will resume, possibly within 12 months. Retirements don't lie, still enough powder in that breach for one more good wave before 2030. Presumably that's why they agreed to two more years of raises.
They're just slightly ahead of our rates... our NB rates.
So yeah, it's a fixer-upper.
There's only one significant variable you missed and I think it could matter, a lot.
Insider rumbling is that the company wants to consumate the merger and integrate ops VERY rapidly. My understanding is that our scope requires JCBA before that can occur, so they will need to give some goodies to get a quick JCBA. Said goodies might smply be some best of breed work rules, and industry standard WB rates. It's easier to claim entitlement to industry standard, as opposed to trying to take the industry lead in a slow period.
But they're probably also considering that the legacy hiring will resume, possibly within 12 months. Retirements don't lie, still enough powder in that breach for one more good wave before 2030. Presumably that's why they agreed to two more years of raises.
09-04-2024, 03:52 PM
#1665
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I think the SLI rate is going to be 90% chance no AS pilots fly as CA anytime soon. Maybe some FOs if they can't fill all the slots with HA pilots.
09-04-2024, 03:57 PM
#1666
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WB would likely be fenced for at least 10 years no matter where they are flown out of. The 5 years fences for DL/NW and UA/CO were short because both airlines had widebody planes. Also the 5 years fences started with the SLI, not the nerger date. HA pilots will likely fly those WB planes no matter where they are based. FYI United asked for "base fences" for the WB planes and they were denied by the arbitrators.
I think the SLI rate is going to be 90% chance no AS pilots fly as CA anytime soon. Maybe some FOs if they can't fill all the slots with HA pilots.
I think the SLI rate is going to be 90% chance no AS pilots fly as CA anytime soon. Maybe some FOs if they can't fill all the slots with HA pilots.
09-04-2024, 04:23 PM
#1668
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Don’t see a mass migration unless it’s the only way to stay in Hawaii. Reserve for longer trips can be for two positions on augmented flights adds a lot of uncertainty. Some people like where they are on the other fleet or see (saw) an upgrade on the other fleets is not far off so they don’t necessarily jump on a vacant wide body FO slot. 90 hr line on a neo vs 75hrs on reserve is a bit of a wash. Unless there is a sense of now or never that I can’t quantify regarding the SLI.
If interisland flying becomes mainland based 737s, then yeah I see pilots moving widebody. They’ll go to Alaska legacy pilots before they go to new hires. Something that happens here all the time
If interisland flying becomes mainland based 737s, then yeah I see pilots moving widebody. They’ll go to Alaska legacy pilots before they go to new hires. Something that happens here all the time
09-04-2024, 04:37 PM
#1669
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Joined APC: Jan 2006
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Posts: 40,031
Our 330/787 rate is $423.99 on 3/25
Your TA rate is $375.74 on 9/25
Our 330/787 rate is $440.95 on 3/26
Your TA rate is $390.77 on 9/26
Our 330/787 rate is $454.18 on 3/27
Your 737 rates are slightly ahead of our 321 rates, your 737 rate is ~$50-60 an our less than our widebody rates. If that’s “slightly” then I’m really hoping for a slight increase in my widebody rate with the JCBA. Our widebody rates are less than DAL, but saying they are close to your 737 rates is disingenuous and laughable to this fixer-upper pilot. 🤦♂️ Let’s give unity another try!
Your TA rate is $375.74 on 9/25
Our 330/787 rate is $440.95 on 3/26
Your TA rate is $390.77 on 9/26
Our 330/787 rate is $454.18 on 3/27
Your 737 rates are slightly ahead of our 321 rates, your 737 rate is ~$50-60 an our less than our widebody rates. If that’s “slightly” then I’m really hoping for a slight increase in my widebody rate with the JCBA. Our widebody rates are less than DAL, but saying they are close to your 737 rates is disingenuous and laughable to this fixer-upper pilot. 🤦♂️ Let’s give unity another try!
Unity will be fine, based on everything I've read, heard, and discussed with AS and HA pilots. We seem to be off to a much better start than pretty much any merger can recall this century. Again, nobody at AS can throw stones about the HAL CBA, and I wasn't doing that.
09-04-2024, 04:41 PM
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