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09-03-2024, 11:38 AM

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Disappointment

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Originally Posted by OTZeagle1

I would argue the exact opposite! You’re gonna see a lot of equipment sunsets.

Parking the 737?! ugh thank gawd finally

09-03-2024, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by rickair7777

I'm sure any and every fleet mix is being discussed and will be considered seriously... I'm confident they are lookig to optimize revenue and their future route structure and growth plans. As opposed to "The answer is Boeing. Now what's the question?"

But at this point nobody knows, not even the people who will ultimately make the call. Early days.

and the answer to the question may very well be Boeing.

09-03-2024, 12:56 PM

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OTZeagle1

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Parking the 737?! ugh thank gawd finally

like 1 in 1,000,000… so I’m telling you there is a chance!

2030 Fleet:
397 73/MAX
49 787
18 330
those are the numbers I would bet in Vegas

09-03-2024, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Yakattack

It's only rumor, but I've heard that Ben likes A350's. And the main problem with our prior Airbii was that the lease terms were very unfavorable (I guess you could thank VA management for that one). I think yours are leased with much better terms, so I wouldn't conclude that they will automatically be replaced. But yeah, I'd bet the 717's won't last much longer.

AS FA's are the most welcoming I've ever seen. I've never interacted with HA.

I believe ours are owned, albeit leveraged..

09-03-2024, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by blackbox348

I believe ours are owned, albeit leveraged..

From the merger PowerPoint when this acquisition was announced, it showed Hawaiian owning 14 and 4 leased A321s. The 330s are 50% owned, and 50% leased.

09-03-2024, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Jet J

Don’t we have something like 10 a320s still sitting in the desert? Add that to the 18 Hawaiian neos. Would close to 30 busses justify keeping the fleet around? 🤔

I would think they would want as many airframes as possible right now if they truly wanted the growth Boeing can’t seem to supply.

Maybe this explains the pay raises. Lots of pain to come in terms of being overstaffed. Since the AS pilot group values money at the expense of everything else. It could be a way to keep pilots on property during the churn.

09-03-2024, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Poopchute701

From the merger PowerPoint when this acquisition was announced, it showed Hawaiian owning 14 and 4 leased A321s. The 330s are 50% owned, and 50% leased.

Hawaiian also has 'purchase rights' for 9 more NEOs, for whatever that's worth. Current fleet:

24 A330s 12 owned/12 leased
18 A321s 14 owned/4 leased, purchase rights for 9 more
12 787 orders; 2 delievered so far, purchase rights for 8 more
19 717s all owned
10 A330F; 3 delievered so far, none owned, options for (?) more