Alaska buying Hawaiian airlines.
09-01-2024, 12:51 PM
#1621
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One way or another, you can't deny something is going on.
How does the Attorney General voice her concern publically when her boss releases a statement of approval. Messed up
How does the Attorney General voice her concern publically when her boss releases a statement of approval. Messed up
09-01-2024, 02:21 PM
#1622
Prime Minister/Moderator
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DOT can challenge or otherwise withhold approval based on public interest.
https://www.transportation.gov/testi...-restructuring
I originally included antitrust, although I don't think thats entirely correct. Reading near the bottom though it seems they can somehow block/reject/disapprove based on anticompetitve practises against public interest. Pilots are such great lawyers and interpreters of the law :P
https://www.transportation.gov/testi...-restructuring
I originally included antitrust, although I don't think thats entirely correct. Reading near the bottom though it seems they can somehow block/reject/disapprove based on anticompetitve practises against public interest. Pilots are such great lawyers and interpreters of the law :P
Today they may be treading more lightly in light of the Loper case... I doubt any federal bureaucracy is looking forward to defending lawsuits and proving how their policies are in strict and narrow alignment with statute (vice arbitrary feudal whim). Especially considering the strict and narrow purpose of the de-regulation act.
https://www.klgates.com/The-End-of-C...nity-6-28-2024
09-01-2024, 05:16 PM
#1623
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Posts: 31
If the state wants to whine about the potential loss of interisland flights, they can do what several other states have done and implement EAS contracts to make the unprofitable operation at least break even. Without that assistance, they have no leg to stand on. On top of that, after flying interisland for 5 years, HA doesn't do anything to improve the profitability of the interisland operation. We fly too many daily flights with <30 passengers, burn fuel in APUs in and out of the gate, discourage single-eingine taxiing, arrive to find gates occupied or rampers not ready, fly much faster than necessary to meet unrealistic turn times, full flaps EVERY landing.. That's not including the pilots' urge to fly fast and burn extra fuel because "we don't pay for the gas." Personally, I think low fares due to SWA entering the market is just another excuse for the complete lack of leadership in the airline. Nobody is steering the ship. Nobody cares. As much as I absolutely love my job flying interisland, I can't wait for the complete shakeup that's coming to this place.
09-02-2024, 08:43 AM
#1626
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If something is required as a condition of employment and you choose not to, then accept the consequences.
09-02-2024, 10:11 AM
#1628
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I never understood those that chose to quit or be terminated. Just take the 1 year LOA to keep you and the companies options open. People reacted very emotionally when a lot can change in a year.
09-02-2024, 03:07 PM
#1629
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sorry your work group was treated like that by company leaders. Not surprising that a management team that has run the airline into the ground (-$500m in 2 years) also made those kind of decisions against their own employees well being. A management team that has also decided to cash out and float away on golden parachutes leaving local employees holding the bag likely to be unemployed soon destroying a historical brand and striping Hawaiian culture of a significant point of pride.
If you had a management team that wasn’t full of 0’s I would suspect, in aggregate, HA would be better off in CH11 than getting absorbed into AAG. But all evidence suggests they would probably F that up as well.
they assaulted your fundamental rights, ruined your company, and floated away with millions in their pockets. When the merger gets ugly at AAG don’t forget who put you in that position in the first place. I have to remind the former Va folks of that all the time. Branson sold them out. Not AAG.
If you had a management team that wasn’t full of 0’s I would suspect, in aggregate, HA would be better off in CH11 than getting absorbed into AAG. But all evidence suggests they would probably F that up as well.
they assaulted your fundamental rights, ruined your company, and floated away with millions in their pockets. When the merger gets ugly at AAG don’t forget who put you in that position in the first place. I have to remind the former Va folks of that all the time. Branson sold them out. Not AAG.
09-02-2024, 03:08 PM
#1630
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I think the general sentiment on the line is this. HA has survived two CH. 11s and in the case of the last one, come out a powerhouse under the Dunkerly era. While many of us would love for Hawaiian to survive as a stand alone company, and would be ready to weather a Ch. 11, we have zero faith that our current management and BOD could pull it off. So although we don’t want to sell, we also don’t want to lose our jobs and be dumped into the current pilot market.
Management over the last five years has many a time walked past a dollar, hoping a $1.25 was around the corner, only to find nothing. They whipsawed line service and ended up with more in aircraft damage and aircraft OTS due to dumb mistakes than cost savings, doubled down on Japan post-Covid despite what every analyst said, and left lucrative government charters and N. America flying on the table so we could fly 4x daily to Tokyo when the value of the yen is at an all time low.
Management over the last five years has many a time walked past a dollar, hoping a $1.25 was around the corner, only to find nothing. They whipsawed line service and ended up with more in aircraft damage and aircraft OTS due to dumb mistakes than cost savings, doubled down on Japan post-Covid despite what every analyst said, and left lucrative government charters and N. America flying on the table so we could fly 4x daily to Tokyo when the value of the yen is at an all time low.
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