Alaska buying Hawaiian airlines.
08-29-2024, 05:20 AM
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08-29-2024, 06:10 AM
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Couple of folks mentioned the NWA/Republic merger and fences. That's not really correct.
First, it was 1986, so almost 40 years ago.
It was DOH merger with quotas, not fences. There were quotas for the NW widebodies and the Rep DC-9 captain spots. Right from the start, a Rep or NW pilot could bid those slots, but at the start, those slots were limited. If you were a top bidder, it didn't affect you really at all. Top seniority Republic pilots were able to bid over to the WB almost right away, and very senior NW pilots could do the same bidding DC-9 Captain (not sure if anyone did that).
There was a lot of arguing about "replacement aircraft" in the 20 years that followed. Those always went to another arbitration. Right up until the end. And people complained about it. You'd think after 20 years, it would fade a bit. Nope.
The merger permiated every thing for years, and even affected post-merger pilots as well. Post-merger NWA had "lifetime" recall rights. If you were displaced from your seat, you had "super senority" forever to return to that seat if you kept it superior to all your other choices. But you had to have held it at one point. Well, at some point, an arbitrator ruled that the merger rights of the other two groups had higher priority, so if you were a displaced post-merger person trying to get back to your seat, the pre-merger pilots had priority to that seat, even if they had never held it.
Fun times.
First, it was 1986, so almost 40 years ago.
It was DOH merger with quotas, not fences. There were quotas for the NW widebodies and the Rep DC-9 captain spots. Right from the start, a Rep or NW pilot could bid those slots, but at the start, those slots were limited. If you were a top bidder, it didn't affect you really at all. Top seniority Republic pilots were able to bid over to the WB almost right away, and very senior NW pilots could do the same bidding DC-9 Captain (not sure if anyone did that).
There was a lot of arguing about "replacement aircraft" in the 20 years that followed. Those always went to another arbitration. Right up until the end. And people complained about it. You'd think after 20 years, it would fade a bit. Nope.
The merger permiated every thing for years, and even affected post-merger pilots as well. Post-merger NWA had "lifetime" recall rights. If you were displaced from your seat, you had "super senority" forever to return to that seat if you kept it superior to all your other choices. But you had to have held it at one point. Well, at some point, an arbitrator ruled that the merger rights of the other two groups had higher priority, so if you were a displaced post-merger person trying to get back to your seat, the pre-merger pilots had priority to that seat, even if they had never held it.
Fun times.
08-29-2024, 09:12 AM
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Seeking Alpha discussion of DOT approval issues (scroll down below the NK discussion).
https://seekingalpha.com/article/471...-silver-lining
https://seekingalpha.com/article/471...-silver-lining
08-29-2024, 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by NuGuy;[url=tel:3832906
3832906[/url]]Couple of folks mentioned the NWA/Republic merger and fences. That's not really correct.
First, it was 1986, so almost 40 years ago.
It was DOH merger with quotas, not fences. There were quotas for the NW widebodies and the Rep DC-9 captain spots. Right from the start, a Rep or NW pilot could bid those slots, but at the start, those slots were limited. If you were a top bidder, it didn't affect you really at all. Top seniority Republic pilots were able to bid over to the WB almost right away, and very senior NW pilots could do the same bidding DC-9 Captain (not sure if anyone did that).
There was a lot of arguing about "replacement aircraft" in the 20 years that followed. Those always went to another arbitration. Right up until the end. And people complained about it. You'd think after 20 years, it would fade a bit. Nope.
The merger permiated every thing for years, and even affected post-merger pilots as well. Post-merger NWA had "lifetime" recall rights. If you were displaced from your seat, you had "super senority" forever to return to that seat if you kept it superior to all your other choices. But you had to have held it at one point. Well, at some point, an arbitrator ruled that the merger rights of the other two groups had higher priority, so if you were a displaced post-merger person trying to get back to your seat, the pre-merger pilots had priority to that seat, even if they had never held it.
Fun times.
First, it was 1986, so almost 40 years ago.
It was DOH merger with quotas, not fences. There were quotas for the NW widebodies and the Rep DC-9 captain spots. Right from the start, a Rep or NW pilot could bid those slots, but at the start, those slots were limited. If you were a top bidder, it didn't affect you really at all. Top seniority Republic pilots were able to bid over to the WB almost right away, and very senior NW pilots could do the same bidding DC-9 Captain (not sure if anyone did that).
There was a lot of arguing about "replacement aircraft" in the 20 years that followed. Those always went to another arbitration. Right up until the end. And people complained about it. You'd think after 20 years, it would fade a bit. Nope.
The merger permiated every thing for years, and even affected post-merger pilots as well. Post-merger NWA had "lifetime" recall rights. If you were displaced from your seat, you had "super senority" forever to return to that seat if you kept it superior to all your other choices. But you had to have held it at one point. Well, at some point, an arbitrator ruled that the merger rights of the other two groups had higher priority, so if you were a displaced post-merger person trying to get back to your seat, the pre-merger pilots had priority to that seat, even if they had never held it.
Fun times.
08-29-2024, 12:42 PM
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Seeking Alpha discussion of DOT approval issues (scroll down below the NK discussion).
https://seekingalpha.com/article/471...-silver-lining
https://seekingalpha.com/article/471...-silver-lining
08-29-2024, 01:11 PM
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United is crying about codeshares I saw too. If the bigger carriers are crying, probably pro consumer.
08-29-2024, 01:30 PM
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Its about time .GOV figured out the cost problem is the big 4. Not the smaller carriers. Allow real competition by allowing these mergers.
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