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Old 08-27-2024, 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Jet J
Was wondering if the DOJ wanted to avoid bad optics from another blocked merger involving a distressed company so they got the DOT to do the dirty work with a block?
I think it has more to do with our Japan routes. They’re lottery based and Alaska is attempting to bypass the lottery since it will technically be a different airline certificate operating the flights. I’m curious if they end up keeping the HA operating certificate post merger because of this…
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Old 08-27-2024, 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Cholla6918
I think it has more to do with our Japan routes. They’re lottery based and Alaska is attempting to bypass the lottery since it will technically be a different airline certificate operating the flights. I’m curious if they end up keeping the HA operating certificate post merger because of this…
Only HND is slot controlled. And the actual routing isn't changing (still HNL-HND) so I don't see DOT caring about that too much.
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Old 08-27-2024, 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Cholla6918
I think it has more to do with our Japan routes. They’re lottery based and Alaska is attempting to bypass the lottery since it will technically be a different airline certificate operating the flights. I’m curious if they end up keeping the HA operating certificate post merger because of this…
Arent they just seeking the temporary exemption right now? I would think it would be simple, in past mergers this was granted within 48 hours so they could transact the deal.
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Old 08-27-2024, 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by TTail
Only HND is slot controlled. And the actual routing isn't changing (still HNL-HND) so I don't see DOT caring about that too much.
“The Japan Schedule Coordination (JSC) is a non-profit organization that manages slot allocation for several airports in Japan, including: Narita International Airport (NRT), Tokyo International Airport (Haneda) (HND), Fukuoka Airport (FUK), Kansai International Airport (KIX), and New Chitose Airport (CTS). “
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Old 08-28-2024, 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Jet J
Was wondering if the DOJ wanted to avoid bad optics from another blocked merger involving a distressed company so they got the DOT to do the dirty work with a block?
The DOJ anti-business activists don't care about optics. The administration might, with an election around the corner, but DOJ and DOT get their marching orders from the same place.

DOJ has much stronger legal teeth to oppose. As far as I know DOT can't block the meger just because, about all they can do is insist on some fine-tuning from a regulatory or diplomatic perspective. If they push too hard, or stall, they'll lose the lawsuit.

Anti-trust law favors big government (as NK found out). That ship has sailed in our case.

Deregulation Act favors airlines.

Also Mayor Pete is a very ambitious political animal. Consider what's in his best interests long-term.
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Old 08-28-2024, 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
The DOJ anti-business activists don't care about optics. The administration might, with an election around the corner, but DOJ and DOT get their marching orders from the same place.

DOJ has much stronger legal teeth to oppose. As far as I know DOT can't block the meger just because, about all they can do is insist on some fine-tuning from a regulatory or diplomatic perspective. If they push too hard, or stall, they'll lose the lawsuit.

Anti-trust law favors big government (as NK found out). That ship has sailed in our case.

Deregulation Act favors airlines.

Also Mayor Pete is a very ambitious political animal. Consider what's in his best interests long-term.
Latest rumor was the rolling delays was simply because the DOJ waited to the last second to show up at the party. All the speculative unrest was for nothing. I’m viewing this, speculatively, the same way. Slow and inefficient gov.
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Old 08-28-2024, 09:56 AM
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The bigger question for me is why the deafening silence from both airline's management on this?
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Old 08-28-2024, 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by CATIII
The bigger question for me is why the deafening silence from both airline's management on this?
Big news Friday
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Old 08-28-2024, 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by blackbox348
Big news Friday
Bigger news than all the uniform messages?
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Old 08-28-2024, 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by 907ANC
Bigger news than all the uniform messages?
I just know all big news comes on Fridays, or at midnight between markets.
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