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Old 08-21-2024, 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by OTZeagle1
This is what I have seen:

787 SEA Open May 2026
787 HNL Close September 2026
717 HNL Close December 2028
321 HNL Close December 2029
737 HNL Open September 2028

CVG* ??? Nothing one way or the other
All other bases status quo or better… Did kinda look like only 20 A330’s in HNL in 2029 though. Have heard looking at maybe buying 40-60 more 330’s too though🤞 probably too positive for most but it’s honestly what I have heard.

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Ladies and gentlemen, pay no mind. He's habitually wrong, especially when it comes to large changes.

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Old 08-21-2024, 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by OTZeagle1
This is what I have seen:

787 SEA Open May 2026
787 HNL Close September 2026
717 HNL Close December 2028
321 HNL Close December 2029
737 HNL Open September 2028

CVG* ??? Nothing one way or the other
All other bases status quo or better… Did kinda look like only 20 A330’s in HNL in 2029 though. Have heard looking at maybe buying 40-60 more 330’s too though🤞 probably too positive for most but it’s honestly what I have heard.

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Seems pretty optimistic given that Boeing can't deliver anything but bad news lately.
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Old 08-21-2024, 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Neosporin
Again, you use the word "circled" like it's common language, what the h3ll are you talking about?
I'm a post VX merger AS pilot. I noted a lot of language devoted to "red circle captains" on seniority lists and position bids. I didn't pay a lot of attention to it but it was some kind of seat protection for certain pilots who were captains during a seniority list snapshot at each airline. I'm not sure how exactly it protected them. It may have protected their seat and base or just their seat. Hopefully, someone that knows the actual definition can help you. Sorry that no one is chiming in about it with specific knowlege. Likely this merger will be different and the "red circle" tool may or may not be used during the SLI.

I would also add another voice for a lot of skepticism when it comes to OTZeagles posts. He's been about 20% on predictions around happenings at AS. He also seems to represent the worst of the worst at AS. He gloated over FO's getting furloughed during the pandemic. Which never happened.

Also, just like Jim Cramer. You'll make a pile of money investing in the opposite of OTZ's financial advice, specifically stock calls and puts lol.
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Old 08-21-2024, 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by IAHPILOT
This is my 3rd merger. To all the HA pilots- welcome to air group. This place prints money. Let’s go get a solid JCBA, fair SLI, hold management accountable, compete SWA out of the islands, Delta out of Seattle and try and make the best of it. Most of it will be out of our control anyway. Don’t listen to the trolls on here.
Hey man some of us are based here!

Honestly hoping you guys knock our 330 rates out of the park with a new contract to give us something to shoot for, but I doubt we’re leaving. We just started SEA-TPE this summer and there’s talk of Manila or Singapore in the next year or two. Plenty of room for us both but I doubt we’re giving up the international presence we’ve built here with HND, ICN, CDG, AMS, LHR, PVG etc.

I’d be happy if we could just get SEA-HKG back….
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Old 08-21-2024, 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by FL410
321 gone. they must have got a good deal in the MAX. Not much of a surprise though.
All makes sense from a business standpoint. Run 717s to a logical conclusion of life, 321s divest as Max's take their routes, 330s divest over longer period at 787s take those routes. 330 should be around for awhile as 787 deliveries are not quick. HA has / had plans to redo the cabins on the 330s, and have started putting in Starlink (I think 2 or 3 have them now, all 321s have them, hope that Alaska continues that program with their new MAXs). 787 no Starlink but that is bc of Boeing and the STC, HA has been pushing for it. That would leave 787, 737 Max and maybe some shorter range 737s, which streamlines the training department, one of HAs big issues. Also, all this talk about displacement we have to remember the company doesn't have to allow a new type rating displacement just bc a senior pilot wants to fly 787 as those are at great expense to the company to retrain, it is of no expense for base displacements of same type as that is on the pilot to figure out the commute / move. There is a significant company training burden and cost to change types.
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Old 08-21-2024, 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by 20Fathoms
Hey man some of us are based here!

Honestly hoping you guys knock our 330 rates out of the park with a new contract to give us something to shoot for, but I doubt we’re leaving. We just started SEA-TPE this summer and there’s talk of Manila or Singapore in the next year or two. Plenty of room for us both but I doubt we’re giving up the international presence we’ve built here with HND, ICN, CDG, AMS, LHR, PVG etc.

I’d be happy if we could just get SEA-HKG back….
I'd like to see at least match your 330 scale. Also would like to see the B-scale for 330 freight go away, but I doubt it due to the low margins, worry more that freight goes away entirely, I am sure Alaska knows the terms and has an idea what they want to do, allow it to continue or sell it off.
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Old 08-21-2024, 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by OTZeagle1
This is what I have seen:

787 SEA Open May 2026
787 HNL Close September 2026
717 HNL Close December 2028
321 HNL Close December 2029
737 HNL Open September 2028

CVG* ??? Nothing one way or the other
All other bases status quo or better… Did kinda look like only 20 A330’s in HNL in 2029 though. Have heard looking at maybe buying 40-60 more 330’s too though🤞 probably too positive for most but it’s honestly what I have heard.

7,200 pilots 2031
CVG has no plans bc it is either no change or going away. That whole business is driven by Amazon, including new routes, etc. Hawaiian has no input and gets a certain heads up in time for new routes. They just got ETOPS approved and are starting HNL flights, right now I think it is CVG, SBD, JFK, and HNL, HA thinks it will expand to other areas but Amazon makes those decisions in their own and then gives HA a heads up and HA then adjusts to support, very different than probably how ALK freight works, and definitely than both our pax flying. On edit, the first ones have no crew rest area so they are limited on flight time based on this, so I don't expect China or any super long routes for a long time, if at all. They typically fly 5 to 6 day trips, there are many redeyes on the trips.
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Old 08-21-2024, 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by AKCattleCarrier
unless your fleet gets parked in the desert….

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/airlines-confidential-podcast/id1488637686?i=1000666070548

info on over capacity and lack of yield of inter-island flying. Despite political promises (cheap talk with no way to hold account). Capacity reduction is inevitable. “Room for 1, maybe 1.5, as soon as theirs 2 everyone loses money”. My guess is a bigger airplane with lower CASM less frequently.
Good podcast. I don't disagree, that said the locals will not be happy with a reduction in frequency. Probably doesn't matter to the bean counters in SEA but it will have repurcussions as it will focus angst towards Alaska. I was surprised the state did not get more than verbal promises, but on the other hand I am also not surprised as well from what I have seen on how things are run in the state.
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Gate space matters. SWA operates interisland at a loss to keep gate space at the various airports at desireable timees.

https://viewfromthewing.com/southwes...e-gate-access/
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Old 08-22-2024, 12:48 AM
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No one here can meaningfully move the dial on the SLI, but we can all work towards a great JCBA. I think we need to be focused on that.
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