Alaska buying Hawaiian airlines.
#1491
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Joined APC: May 2023
Posts: 699
This is what I have seen:
787 SEA Open May 2026
787 HNL Close September 2026
717 HNL Close December 2028
321 HNL Close December 2029
737 HNL Open September 2028
CVG* ??? Nothing one way or the other
All other bases status quo or better… Did kinda look like only 20 A330’s in HNL in 2029 though. Have heard looking at maybe buying 40-60 more 330’s too though🤞 probably too positive for most but it’s honestly what I have heard.
7,200 pilots 2031
787 SEA Open May 2026
787 HNL Close September 2026
717 HNL Close December 2028
321 HNL Close December 2029
737 HNL Open September 2028
CVG* ??? Nothing one way or the other
All other bases status quo or better… Did kinda look like only 20 A330’s in HNL in 2029 though. Have heard looking at maybe buying 40-60 more 330’s too though🤞 probably too positive for most but it’s honestly what I have heard.
7,200 pilots 2031
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#1492
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Joined APC: Feb 2011
Position: Precarious
Posts: 387
This is what I have seen:
787 SEA Open May 2026
787 HNL Close September 2026
717 HNL Close December 2028
321 HNL Close December 2029
737 HNL Open September 2028
CVG* ??? Nothing one way or the other
All other bases status quo or better… Did kinda look like only 20 A330’s in HNL in 2029 though. Have heard looking at maybe buying 40-60 more 330’s too though🤞 probably too positive for most but it’s honestly what I have heard.
7,200 pilots 2031
787 SEA Open May 2026
787 HNL Close September 2026
717 HNL Close December 2028
321 HNL Close December 2029
737 HNL Open September 2028
CVG* ??? Nothing one way or the other
All other bases status quo or better… Did kinda look like only 20 A330’s in HNL in 2029 though. Have heard looking at maybe buying 40-60 more 330’s too though🤞 probably too positive for most but it’s honestly what I have heard.
7,200 pilots 2031
#1493
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Joined APC: Mar 2022
Posts: 691
I would also add another voice for a lot of skepticism when it comes to OTZeagles posts. He's been about 20% on predictions around happenings at AS. He also seems to represent the worst of the worst at AS. He gloated over FO's getting furloughed during the pandemic. Which never happened.
Also, just like Jim Cramer. You'll make a pile of money investing in the opposite of OTZ's financial advice, specifically stock calls and puts lol.
#1494
This is my 3rd merger. To all the HA pilots- welcome to air group. This place prints money. Let’s go get a solid JCBA, fair SLI, hold management accountable, compete SWA out of the islands, Delta out of Seattle and try and make the best of it. Most of it will be out of our control anyway. Don’t listen to the trolls on here.
Honestly hoping you guys knock our 330 rates out of the park with a new contract to give us something to shoot for, but I doubt we’re leaving. We just started SEA-TPE this summer and there’s talk of Manila or Singapore in the next year or two. Plenty of room for us both but I doubt we’re giving up the international presence we’ve built here with HND, ICN, CDG, AMS, LHR, PVG etc.
I’d be happy if we could just get SEA-HKG back….
#1495
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Joined APC: Oct 2022
Posts: 59
All makes sense from a business standpoint. Run 717s to a logical conclusion of life, 321s divest as Max's take their routes, 330s divest over longer period at 787s take those routes. 330 should be around for awhile as 787 deliveries are not quick. HA has / had plans to redo the cabins on the 330s, and have started putting in Starlink (I think 2 or 3 have them now, all 321s have them, hope that Alaska continues that program with their new MAXs). 787 no Starlink but that is bc of Boeing and the STC, HA has been pushing for it. That would leave 787, 737 Max and maybe some shorter range 737s, which streamlines the training department, one of HAs big issues. Also, all this talk about displacement we have to remember the company doesn't have to allow a new type rating displacement just bc a senior pilot wants to fly 787 as those are at great expense to the company to retrain, it is of no expense for base displacements of same type as that is on the pilot to figure out the commute / move. There is a significant company training burden and cost to change types.
#1496
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Joined APC: Oct 2022
Posts: 59
Hey man some of us are based here!
Honestly hoping you guys knock our 330 rates out of the park with a new contract to give us something to shoot for, but I doubt we’re leaving. We just started SEA-TPE this summer and there’s talk of Manila or Singapore in the next year or two. Plenty of room for us both but I doubt we’re giving up the international presence we’ve built here with HND, ICN, CDG, AMS, LHR, PVG etc.
I’d be happy if we could just get SEA-HKG back….
Honestly hoping you guys knock our 330 rates out of the park with a new contract to give us something to shoot for, but I doubt we’re leaving. We just started SEA-TPE this summer and there’s talk of Manila or Singapore in the next year or two. Plenty of room for us both but I doubt we’re giving up the international presence we’ve built here with HND, ICN, CDG, AMS, LHR, PVG etc.
I’d be happy if we could just get SEA-HKG back….
#1497
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Joined APC: Oct 2022
Posts: 59
This is what I have seen:
787 SEA Open May 2026
787 HNL Close September 2026
717 HNL Close December 2028
321 HNL Close December 2029
737 HNL Open September 2028
CVG* ??? Nothing one way or the other
All other bases status quo or better… Did kinda look like only 20 A330’s in HNL in 2029 though. Have heard looking at maybe buying 40-60 more 330’s too though🤞 probably too positive for most but it’s honestly what I have heard.
7,200 pilots 2031
787 SEA Open May 2026
787 HNL Close September 2026
717 HNL Close December 2028
321 HNL Close December 2029
737 HNL Open September 2028
CVG* ??? Nothing one way or the other
All other bases status quo or better… Did kinda look like only 20 A330’s in HNL in 2029 though. Have heard looking at maybe buying 40-60 more 330’s too though🤞 probably too positive for most but it’s honestly what I have heard.
7,200 pilots 2031
#1498
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Joined APC: Oct 2022
Posts: 59
unless your fleet gets parked in the desert….
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/airlines-confidential-podcast/id1488637686?i=1000666070548
info on over capacity and lack of yield of inter-island flying. Despite political promises (cheap talk with no way to hold account). Capacity reduction is inevitable. “Room for 1, maybe 1.5, as soon as theirs 2 everyone loses money”. My guess is a bigger airplane with lower CASM less frequently.
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/airlines-confidential-podcast/id1488637686?i=1000666070548
info on over capacity and lack of yield of inter-island flying. Despite political promises (cheap talk with no way to hold account). Capacity reduction is inevitable. “Room for 1, maybe 1.5, as soon as theirs 2 everyone loses money”. My guess is a bigger airplane with lower CASM less frequently.
#1499
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Joined APC: Apr 2005
Posts: 1,474
Gate space matters. SWA operates interisland at a loss to keep gate space at the various airports at desireable timees.
https://viewfromthewing.com/southwes...e-gate-access/
https://viewfromthewing.com/southwes...e-gate-access/
#1500
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Joined APC: Apr 2017
Posts: 202
No one here can meaningfully move the dial on the SLI, but we can all work towards a great JCBA. I think we need to be focused on that.
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