Alaska buying Hawaiian airlines.
08-21-2024, 04:21 PM
#1481
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https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcas...=1000666070548
info on over capacity and lack of yield of inter-island flying. Despite political promises (cheap talk with no way to hold account). Capacity reduction is inevitable. “Room for 1, maybe 1.5, as soon as theirs 2 everyone loses money”. My guess is a bigger airplane with lower CASM less frequently.
08-21-2024, 04:45 PM
#1482
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I believe the two entities will be merged into the AS brand after 3 years, tops. Once the Islands are inundated with the Alaska brand and conditioned to seeing Alaska everywhere, those folks working for Alaska that were previously Hawaiian after the acquisition will accept Alaska as the employer etc., as will the flying public. Hawaiian / Alaska culture aside, consumers want value and consistency in the product. It’s in the best interest of AS to eventually glean the synergies of one brand eventually from this acquisition.
08-21-2024, 05:13 PM
#1484
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Well, it’s honestly pretty common. You will become an expert on mergers over the next 18 months. Right now everything will be a big deal, in 24 months you will look back and be embarrassed you wasted any thought on it. HAL’s MEC will retain the best lawyer they can, he will do his best to get you the best possible deal, an arbiter will decide your fate.
08-21-2024, 06:36 PM
#1485
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Pretty sure, I answered and so did others. An arbiter, can choose to have CA positions protected, from any future displacements, by SLI awarded globally more senior pilots, for a prescribed period of time. Those pilots will be validated, usual by their MECs, on a particular date, usually the purchase close or SLI award date. The period of time is usually sufficient, allowing time to preserve current career expectations. This method of protection is commonly referred to as “circling .”
They are absolutely not getting rid of the brand, I think it is more likely to be the surviving brand, if it ever came to that. Right now, management is bent on preserving both.
08-21-2024, 06:40 PM
#1486
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What happens when (not if) people get displaced? Who can they bump? Going to need an SLI for that...
08-21-2024, 06:46 PM
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Seems fair-ish to me too. But the problem is that there'a going to be some re-alignment of fleets. Probably no base closures, but maybe a new base and existing fleets moving to different bases.
What happens when (not if) people get displaced? Who can they bump? Going to need an SLI for that...
What happens when (not if) people get displaced? Who can they bump? Going to need an SLI for that...
08-21-2024, 06:53 PM
#1489
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Seems fair-ish to me too. But the problem is that there'a going to be some re-alignment of fleets. Probably no base closures, but maybe a new base and existing fleets moving to different bases.
What happens when (not if) people get displaced? Who can they bump? Going to need an SLI for that...
What happens when (not if) people get displaced? Who can they bump? Going to need an SLI for that...
787 SEA Open May 2026
787 HNL Close September 2026
717 HNL Close December 2028
321 HNL Close December 2029
737 HNL Open September 2028
CVG* ??? Nothing one way or the other
All other bases status quo or better… Did kinda look like only 20 A330’s in HNL in 2029 though. Have heard looking at maybe buying 40-60 more 330’s too though🤞 probably too positive for most but it’s honestly what I have heard.
7,200 pilots 2031
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08-21-2024, 07:11 PM
#1490
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321 gone. they must have got a good deal in the MAX. Not much of a surprise though.
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