PineappleXpres

He speaks!

MinRest

Thanks!

Filler

tzskipper1

I believe federal law (McCaskill-Bond Act, 2007) specifies the arbitrators boundries. Resulted from the AA pilot's a** pounding of the TWA pilot group. Pretty specific.

https://vlex.com/vid/seniority-integ...tute-351067646

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MinRest

It is still up to an arbitrator to interpret those rules and make a binding decision. If the merger policy was so clear, we wouldn't need arbitration.

FyrePilot

The financial stability of the company in the future will not be considered. The state of the company at time of purchase will be considered. The state at the time was operating fully- yes operating at a loss but still operating with no shutdown. For all you know Hawaii tourism and the yen will have a giant rebound. Unrealized gains or losses are unknown. So decisions from an arbitration will not be based on theories or guesses of what the future of the company might be or not be.

Maybe next week one of the Alaska 737s blows another door out causing worldwide grounding for the POS frankensteined max causing Boeing to go completely bankrupt and Seattle to turn into the next Detroit and kill the main hub of Alaska. Then which seniority list will be better position for SLI?

Decisions won’t be made on what could happen to either company. Only what is known at the time.

PurringRaccoon

Yeah that sounds more sensible. If we are debating what ifs into SLI considerations, then there is no end to what ifs.

Career expectations of flying a widebody/narrow body at the time of purchase it is!

Which means I think - fences on the widebodys for HA pilots (tall enough for them to all position themselves into one) makes more sense than some permanent seniority gain.

30 year fences like the one before? Lol

MinRest

Well HA isn't financially stable, it is burning cash left and right and another company is coming in and paying A BILLING DOLLARS of debt off. Alaska is assuming the risk here, Hawaiian is getting bought by a much stronger company from a financial aspect and that is absolutely undeniable. What is known at the time is that HA is not on a sustainable path. Anything can happen at any time, that is the airline industry, but Hawaiian has struggled to make money consistently for decades.

I don't think anyone at HA can argue that the company is financially stable when you are a billion dollars in debt, sorry. SLI will be what it will be what it will be and I am looking forward to everyone having paychecks that clear until we all retire, I am honestly excited to merge as one group and I am looking forward to getting to call all of you co-workers, but nobody at Hawaiian can tell me that the company is financially solvent, stable, or rebounding as there are literally no examples of that to use to base those claims on.

GreenPatures

. As of last quarter HA total debt is $2.6b, net debt of $1.6b. ALK's total debt is $3.8b and net debt of $1.6b.

OTZeagle1

Enough people asked in PM’s this will give everyone 18mos to digest. This will end up being the final verdict, within pennies. AS MEC knows it, HA MEC knows it
2 year WB fence for Captains only
3 to 1 AS HA
All current CA’s Circled for 3 years, all current WB CA’s circled for 5 years
Done! Guaranteed! Grow up

MinRest

Those certainly are numbers. Are you arguing that HA is more financially stable than AS? Maybe Hawaiian should buy Alaska I guess...