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Old 08-19-2024, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by ReluctantEskimo
Apparently Alaska's commitment to inter-island is a sticking point.

https://beatofhawaii.com/surprising-issues-could-break-alaska-hawaiian-deal/
If AK/HA and SWA raise interisland fares to $400 each way like the article alludes to, then someone will organize a company, buy abunch of clapped out 737's with spartan interiors and start an interisland airline selling dirt cheap fares called, Aloha.
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Old 08-19-2024, 03:14 PM
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Beat of Hawaii is a trash website with minimal journalistic knowledge. They quoted “aviation forums” for this particular speculative article.
Apparently someone is listening in on the coconut wireless, and putting their own spin on things. It isn't any different than the game of "telephone" we have on the mainland. Everyone has an axe to grind, I guess, but I have to laugh about the journalistic integrity of a publication that uses itself as a reference and/or speculates on speculating and uses an aviation forum as a source. It's pure garbage. I can't figure out why anyone in the Islands would be against this, but apparently someone is. To not approve it would be anti-competitive, because WN would likely have free reign to charge the proverbial $400 for HNL to KOA.

Honestly at this point I could go either way. It's cool to grow and get widebodies (although I can't say I have much personal interest in them), but it would also be cool to avoid the inevitable growing pains (read possible stagnation) that would come with the aquisition, and can just go back to flying for my niche PNW carrier with an arctic native on the the tail. The only thing I dread is yet another adjustment of the deadline.
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Old 08-19-2024, 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Yakattack
Apparently someone is listening in on the coconut wireless, and putting their own spin on things. It isn't any different than the game of "telephone" we have on the mainland. Everyone has an axe to grind, I guess, but I have to laugh about the journalistic integrity of a publication that uses itself as a reference and/or speculates on speculating and uses an aviation forum as a source. It's pure garbage. I can't figure out why anyone in the Islands would be against this, but apparently someone is. To not approve it would be anti-competitive, because WN would likely have free reign to charge the proverbial $400 for HNL to KOA.

Honestly at this point I could go either way. It's cool to grow and get widebodies (although I can't say I have much personal interest in them), but it would also be cool to avoid the inevitable growing pains (read possible stagnation) that would come with the aquisition, and can just go back to flying for my niche PNW carrier with an arctic native on the the tail. The only thing I dread is yet another adjustment of the deadline.
Right!?

Just rip the bandaid off and get it over with.

None of our opinions matter and the only people who have an inside track on this merger aren't allowed to speak about it.
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Old 08-19-2024, 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Yakattack
I can't figure out why anyone in the Islands would be against this
Every time I look around our HQ (HAL's) I see a lot of people I would have to think would be aginst it. How did it work out for the corporate departments at Virgin?

I have been wildly surprised that almost ZERO local politicians have made any mention of job loss and tax revenue loss in the state.
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Old 08-19-2024, 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by TwOtter
Every time I look around our HQ (HAL's) I see a lot of people I would have to think would be aginst it. How did it work out for the corporate departments at Virgin?
A lot of them got offered jobs in SEA. The fact that they needed bus expertise helped.

Some of them did not.

Originally Posted by TwOtter
I have been wildly surprised that almost ZERO local politicians have made any mention of job loss and tax revenue loss in the state.
I think AS has made a case for keeping jobs on the islands (no idea as to sincerity).

If HAL goes BK, all the jobs will be at HQ at Love field.
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Old 08-19-2024, 06:49 PM
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Anyone have an idea what the options are if we don't hear anything from the DOJ after 21:01 pst tonight?
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Old 08-19-2024, 06:50 PM
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That is how it goes in mergers, unfortunately. Just how it is. Lets be very real here, AS is not going to keep the same people who ran an airline into the ground. Even successful companies being acquired don't get to keep everyone.
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Old 08-19-2024, 07:01 PM
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5:01 PM HST Monday.

Who's got the details??
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Old 08-19-2024, 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by MinRest
That is how it goes in mergers, unfortunately. Just how it is. Lets be very real here, AS is not going to keep the same people who ran an airline into the ground. Even successful companies being acquired don't get to keep everyone.
There will be jobs, to support Island ops and fleets which AS doesn't have... 717, 330, 787,

Not sure sure about 321 fleet support, AS does have people who can do that.
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Old 08-19-2024, 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by ReluctantEskimo
5:01 PM HST Monday.

Who's got the details??
One hour until the deadline is all I know...
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