Alaska buying Hawaiian airlines.
08-17-2024, 07:00 PM
#1271
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Problem with HA is we basically have 3 legs of revenue. Japan, Mainland and I-island.
For the last several years we have been losing on most fronts, excepts when international travel was a pain and alot of West Coasters came to HI instead of Mexico or Canada. Right now Japan is a cluster, our revenue interisland is severely depressed due to SWA, and with a noted slowdown in Mainland tourism, for various reasons, we will soon see a drastic worsening of that business.
Our "team" hasn't adjusted and from what it seems, the strategy is to simply wait for Japan, hope SWA pulls out, and I guess hope we don't see "price caps" in other areas.
We may not go belly up without Alaska, but I sure as heck don't want to find out where we see cuts if Ch. 11 happens. On the other hand, I hear Alaska has a possible pretty nice snap up to Delta rates, so there is that. I'd like to take my chances with Alaska and a possible $50 some odd pay increase. But that's just me. If you are at Alaska, I'll be the first to say thanks for the "phone a friend" if this deal goes through.
Whatver "strategy" Koapaka is using certainly ain't working.
For the last several years we have been losing on most fronts, excepts when international travel was a pain and alot of West Coasters came to HI instead of Mexico or Canada. Right now Japan is a cluster, our revenue interisland is severely depressed due to SWA, and with a noted slowdown in Mainland tourism, for various reasons, we will soon see a drastic worsening of that business.
Our "team" hasn't adjusted and from what it seems, the strategy is to simply wait for Japan, hope SWA pulls out, and I guess hope we don't see "price caps" in other areas.
We may not go belly up without Alaska, but I sure as heck don't want to find out where we see cuts if Ch. 11 happens. On the other hand, I hear Alaska has a possible pretty nice snap up to Delta rates, so there is that. I'd like to take my chances with Alaska and a possible $50 some odd pay increase. But that's just me. If you are at Alaska, I'll be the first to say thanks for the "phone a friend" if this deal goes through.
Whatver "strategy" Koapaka is using certainly ain't working.
Any assumption that the next 30 years at Hawaiian is going to be quick progression to wide body captain and amazing schedules with quick seniority progression is a joke to me. Money losing routes and a management team that has proven to be inept at there job doesn’t seem sustainable to me.🤷🏻♂️
08-17-2024, 10:55 PM
#1273
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Trips are out and backs, 2 or 3 days, some longer depending on the current schedule. IRO on the longer flights is easy and at $188/hr on second year pay can be lucrative.
5 year widebody is about $239 and 12 year $284.
717 scale is of course lower, but can mean 0 nights away from home with some seniority.
5 year widebody is about $239 and 12 year $284.
717 scale is of course lower, but can mean 0 nights away from home with some seniority.
08-18-2024, 12:44 AM
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08-18-2024, 01:32 AM
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everything Rama said, but I think the main reason is we have 8 seat categories in our HNL base. You can bid to any seat that will give you the quality of life you want. Even a junior FO on the 717 can bid 18 days in base on call and then take 24 days off and come back and do 18 days on call. Unlike Atlas, these 18 on only set you up for in time zone layovers or home every night sort of arrangement. Our cost of living is as high as SFO/LAX/SEA, but we have year round nice weather and world class beaches. Down side is our taxes are moderately high and our public school system is unacceptable. Still QOL is very high. Even commuters that are eyeing the big 3 admit it’s hard to compete on QOL with us.
08-18-2024, 03:37 AM
#1276
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My QOL is great. It is at or better than VX was and I am a not senior CA. QOL post PBS has drastically improved. If I want basically the month off at 84 hours, I can bid SC which is exactly what I have done this month and so far I did one 2 day trip to HNL. Next month I work 12 days and credit 80 hours which is exactly what I was doing at VX.
08-18-2024, 06:08 AM
#1277
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That's not my experience at AS. I'm not former VA so I don't have that to compare it to, but my QOL is FAR, FAR, FAR better at AS than it was at my last job. I haven't flown a single trip over two days as a line holder. PBS gives me generally what I want, when I want it, and this is at middle-of-the-pack seniority. I do a good amount of high-credit, low workload flying to the East Coast, and I find myself in PAJN pretty regularly, but that's by choice. "Southeast and Southeast" is what I call it. My complaints: The high COL in SEA, and the fact that I can't seem to get a decent night's sleep at the Captain Cook. Nothing's perfect I guess.
08-18-2024, 07:28 AM
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Good luck to us all. There's no reason BOTH GROUPS can't get it ALL for a joint contract. I get that no one should be happy with a JSL, but a vast majority should be happy with the contract. Not 50-something percent on a vote.
08-18-2024, 08:12 AM
#1279
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You can do 2-3 day out and backs on NB's but with relatievly shorter legs the credit doesn't get as high as long haul.
That's barely more than what the other legacies get for NB rates.
08-18-2024, 08:39 AM
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