Originally Posted by MinRest

This.

Relative seniority is also just that, relative...

I don't understand the logic of everyone here thinking that the entire pilot group is going to be forced to play musical chairs with fleet, seat and base. There are much bigger factors that play a role in ones ability to hold a base and seat than simply SLI.

Originally Posted by vaxedtothemax

Problem with HA is we basically have 3 legs of revenue. Japan, Mainland and I-island.

For the last several years we have been losing on most fronts, excepts when international travel was a pain and alot of West Coasters came to HI instead of Mexico or Canada. Right now Japan is a cluster, our revenue interisland is severely depressed due to SWA, and with a noted slowdown in Mainland tourism, for various reasons, we will soon see a drastic worsening of that business.

Our "team" hasn't adjusted and from what it seems, the strategy is to simply wait for Japan, hope SWA pulls out, and I guess hope we don't see "price caps" in other areas.

We may not go belly up without Alaska, but I sure as heck don't want to find out where we see cuts if Ch. 11 happens. On the other hand, I hear Alaska has a possible pretty nice snap up to Delta rates, so there is that. I'd like to take my chances with Alaska and a possible $50 some odd pay increase. But that's just me. If you are at Alaska, I'll be the first to say thanks for the "phone a friend" if this deal goes through.

Whatver "strategy" Koapaka is using certainly ain't working.

Originally Posted by rickair7777

The snap up is for 737 (and 321?) rates and it takes effect only on specific dates. The last such date is 1 Sep 2024, ie two weeks from now, and we will get a raise. It's also an "industry average", not DAL specific although it mostly worked out to that after the dust settled.

AS snap-up won't affect any HAL rates going forward. The snap-up was possible because AS went first in the last round and the company had retention problems. I'm not sure snap-up will be in cards for JCBA. Basically this JCBA will be a mid-term election in the usual pattern bargaining cycle.

But we do now have precedent for top-tier pay rates, so hopefully that can applied to widebodies as well.

Originally Posted by vaxedtothemax

Understood. I don't follow Alaska closely as far as contracts and how negotiations went or how steadfast your pilot group is, but I have to assume the WB rates would have to increase from what ours are currently at based on the market, and the fact we signed first this last go-around?

Either way, I think things will improve for us (HA) with a deal going through. SLI not withstanding. That's a topic for a year or two from now.

Originally Posted by GoodJet

Expect a moderate increase in pay.

Drastic decrease in QOL. It is simply not a priority for the AS pilot group.

It gets worse the more junior you are.

Originally Posted by vaxedtothemax

I'd like to take my chances with Alaska and a possible $50 some odd pay increase. But that's just me. If you are at Alaska, I'll be the first to say thanks for the "phone a friend" if this deal goes through.

Originally Posted by All Bizniz

That is not a true statement.

Originally Posted by GoodJet

Expect a moderate increase in pay.

Drastic decrease in QOL. It is simply not a priority for the AS pilot group.

It gets worse the more junior you are.

Originally Posted by clearandcold

Isn’t QOL generally not as good for junior vs senior people anywhere you go?

Originally Posted by PineappleXpres

Its great at Hawaiian.