Originally Posted by Singlecoil

Alaska uses DOB for seniority in an individual class, not sure what Hawaiian uses.

Originally Posted by rickair7777

I would agree that a Max is far more likely than a 175 (or 195, etc).

Cargo matters, AS knows that well from similar ops in Alaska, and RJ's don't carry any to speak of.

Also setting up a regional operation on the Islands would be a PITA, especially since they already have mainline pilots who live and work there, and want to be doing that.

717's had to get replaced sooner anyway.

And AS management knows all this, pilot speculation aside. I don't think the current team will do anything really dumb with this merger (fingers crossed).

Originally Posted by FreqFlyer

https://simpleflying.com/hawaiian-ai...aska-airlines/

According to this article you shouldn’t be too worried, E175 isn’t even on the table…

”The Boeing 717 could potentially be replaced by the Boeing 737 MAX 7, Airbus A220-300, or Embraer E195-E2, with the latter being favored due to its commonality with Alaska Air Group's existing fleet.”

Originally Posted by clearandcold

Not sure who favors the 195 but I don’t think it’s Alaska. Within the last year they dismissed the potential of the 195 and indicated that with it having different engines they do not look at it as common with the 175.

Originally Posted by CaptainDooley

"I am sure post merger announcement, both sides will be integrated DOH."


LOL....I gues you never followed other airline mergers.....

Originally Posted by CaptainDooley

"I am sure post merger announcement, both sides will be integrated DOH."


LOL....I gues you never followed other airline mergers.....

Originally Posted by FreqFlyer

https://simpleflying.com/hawaiian-ai...aska-airlines/

According to this article you shouldn’t be too worried, E175 isn’t even on the table…

”The Boeing 717 could potentially be replaced by the Boeing 737 MAX 7, Airbus A220-300, or Embraer E195-E2, with the latter being favored due to its commonality with Alaska Air Group's existing fleet.”

Originally Posted by GreenPatures

I have seen a number of posts saying Alaska will likely use the Horizon E175 for Interisland flying in Hawaii. Not sure how much due diligence those folks put into what interisland flying is, but I assume and would hope Alaska puts some in before making an off the cuff decision like that. A bit on interisland flying....The B717 is 128 seats dual class and load factors are north of 85% average. The E175 is 76 seats 3 class, so about 59% capacity in passengers of the B717. Cargo is another issue as the Hawaiian B717s fly a lot of interisland cargo supporting the outer islands, B717 has more cargo volume...I don't know these numbers but it is more. Thus to accomplish the same thing interisland for Hawaii more E175s would be needed. Assuming it could produce the same amount of flights per aircraft per day and turnaround in the same amount of time this amounts to at least 75% more jets and corresponding gates, that would either have to be given up from Alaska 737s and then some or taken from another airline as gates are in short supply in most of the islands except maybe Hilo on Hawai'i. This assumes the cargo capacity is not more limiting and as mentioned assumes the 175 can generate ~ 12 flights a day per aircraft and turnaround in 30-35 minutes. If either of those last 2 are not accurate there would be even more aircraft required than the 75% to supply an equivalent amount of passenger and presumably cargo (again, assumes cargo scale is similar to the passenger difference) operation in the island. The gates don't exist. If they did a 1 for 1, which would likely have to happen due to gates, a lot of business interisland would be given up and that has been Hawaiian's main claim to being Hawaiian and what the company started as in the beginning and most of its history. The company has been steadfast in its dedication to interisland as main part of the identity of Hawaiian Airlines so giving that up will very much noticed by the Hawaiian island people and will cause a lot of lost goodwill. There is a reason that folks fly Hawaiian interisland over SWA, even when SWA gives away seats at a loss, they know Hawaiian is Hawaiian. To lose that identity is to lose a lot of the support from the people, so it will be watched very carefully by the locals. Also Hawaiian is the largest non-government employer in the state of Hawaii, everyone knows everyone and everyone is related including the employees so that will be watched very carefully as well for jobs and how the locals are treated. Hawaiian leadership is reassuring folks as that is the brand, those things that make Hawaiian Hawaiian can't be replaced and that is the identity of the airline, good or bad, the Hawaiian people are watching closely and I see Hawaiian leadership doing their best, I hope that in the changeover it is transparent to Hawaiians and the identity is kept not just in paint jobs but in commitment to the state of Hawaii. I am positively optimistic bassed on what I have heard that Alaska plans to retain that. If not the brand will die and much of the goodwill will go away leaving the door open for a competitor who is desperately trying to establish the same goodwill in Hawaii. Ironically SWA flying interisland and selling seats for a loss trying to put HA out of business is one of the factors that has pressurized and set the stage for this merger. I hope Alaska, and the statements indicate this thankfully, keeps the brand and the people and continues to do the biggest thing Hawaiian does for the islands...fly interisland to the same level. The other stuff, ditching 321s for Max, etc. aren't a big deal to the locals, as long as their people, who are their family (family is everything in Hawaii) are taken care of at least in the same fashion and not displaced, let go, etc. Those are the things that will be scrutinized by the people of Hawaii. Anyway...given what I know about interisland flying and the 717 and what little I know of the 175...it isn't a good fit, will see if Alaska comes to that conclusion as well.