Alaska buying Hawaiian airlines.
08-01-2024, 02:54 PM
#1142
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Probably July 2026 until we see the MAX 10. Likely Boeing won't be back up to full production for a couple more years. At the earliest it won't be until 2026 until we can aquire enough aircraft to justify our current staffing. We are about to go into a JCBA during a poor period for pilot hiring. Primarily due to Boeing but it doesn't change the probability of a good outcome for a JCBA.
It may be years from now but we will likely see downgrades and possibly furloughs due to the state of the industry, staffing and being in a poor position to negotiate a JCBA. That comes after a long period of stagnation of QOL and seniority movement from January of this year until well into 2026.
It may be years from now but we will likely see downgrades and possibly furloughs due to the state of the industry, staffing and being in a poor position to negotiate a JCBA. That comes after a long period of stagnation of QOL and seniority movement from January of this year until well into 2026.
08-01-2024, 02:59 PM
#1143
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HA hired for the upcoming Amazon freighters as well as the 787.
Both have been coming in behind schedule.
Both have been coming in behind schedule.
08-01-2024, 03:28 PM
#1145
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The latest from Seeking Alpha...
Hawaiian Airlines (NASDAQ:HA) dropped 5% after a report that extension of the DOJ's timing agreement in the Alaska Air (ALK) deal was done to give the parties extra time to argue their case before the regulator files a lawsuit.
The parties are trying to convince the antitrust regulator to not block the deal after an-eight month review, according to a CTFN report on Wednesday, which cited a source close to the situation.
Another source told the publication that it appears to be very difficult to dissuade DOJ antitrust Chief Jonathan Kanter to not block the deal.
The latest update comes after a Bloomberg report on Tuesday that DOJ remains internally divided on whether to sue to stop the combination. DOJ officials are said to be divided internally whether to file a lawsuit to challenge the combination, given the relative size of Alaska Air (ALK) and Hawaiian (HA) compared to the US's four major airlines.
One source familiar with the DOJ's thinking told CTFN that the regulator isn't "divided" over the deal, but is "wrestling" with a hard decision.
The airlines disclosed on Tuesday that they agreed with the DOJ to extend the review period for their planned deal until Aug 15. The DOJ's deadline was originally Aug. 5.
The extension comes after some media outlets last week said that the DOJ was preparing to sue to block the deal. The reports sent Hawaiian Holdings (HA) sinking 12% last Wednesday. One report indicated that the regulator is also looking at alternatives, such as a divestiture package.
Hawaiian Airlines (NASDAQ:HA) dropped 5% after a report that extension of the DOJ's timing agreement in the Alaska Air (ALK) deal was done to give the parties extra time to argue their case before the regulator files a lawsuit.
The parties are trying to convince the antitrust regulator to not block the deal after an-eight month review, according to a CTFN report on Wednesday, which cited a source close to the situation.
Another source told the publication that it appears to be very difficult to dissuade DOJ antitrust Chief Jonathan Kanter to not block the deal.
The latest update comes after a Bloomberg report on Tuesday that DOJ remains internally divided on whether to sue to stop the combination. DOJ officials are said to be divided internally whether to file a lawsuit to challenge the combination, given the relative size of Alaska Air (ALK) and Hawaiian (HA) compared to the US's four major airlines.
One source familiar with the DOJ's thinking told CTFN that the regulator isn't "divided" over the deal, but is "wrestling" with a hard decision.
The airlines disclosed on Tuesday that they agreed with the DOJ to extend the review period for their planned deal until Aug 15. The DOJ's deadline was originally Aug. 5.
The extension comes after some media outlets last week said that the DOJ was preparing to sue to block the deal. The reports sent Hawaiian Holdings (HA) sinking 12% last Wednesday. One report indicated that the regulator is also looking at alternatives, such as a divestiture package.
08-01-2024, 03:36 PM
#1146
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The latest from Seeking Alpha...
Hawaiian Airlines (NASDAQ:HA) dropped 5% after a report that extension of the DOJ's timing agreement in the Alaska Air (ALK) deal was done to give the parties extra time to argue their case before the regulator files a lawsuit.
The parties are trying to convince the antitrust regulator to not block the deal after an-eight month review, according to a CTFN report on Wednesday, which cited a source close to the situation.
Another source told the publication that it appears to be very difficult to dissuade DOJ antitrust Chief Jonathan Kanter to not block the deal.
The latest update comes after a Bloomberg report on Tuesday that DOJ remains internally divided on whether to sue to stop the combination. DOJ officials are said to be divided internally whether to file a lawsuit to challenge the combination, given the relative size of Alaska Air (ALK) and Hawaiian (HA) compared to the US's four major airlines.
One source familiar with the DOJ's thinking told CTFN that the regulator isn't "divided" over the deal, but is "wrestling" with a hard decision.
The airlines disclosed on Tuesday that they agreed with the DOJ to extend the review period for their planned deal until Aug 15. The DOJ's deadline was originally Aug. 5.
The extension comes after some media outlets last week said that the DOJ was preparing to sue to block the deal. The reports sent Hawaiian Holdings (HA) sinking 12% last Wednesday. One report indicated that the regulator is also looking at alternatives, such as a divestiture package.
Hawaiian Airlines (NASDAQ:HA) dropped 5% after a report that extension of the DOJ's timing agreement in the Alaska Air (ALK) deal was done to give the parties extra time to argue their case before the regulator files a lawsuit.
The parties are trying to convince the antitrust regulator to not block the deal after an-eight month review, according to a CTFN report on Wednesday, which cited a source close to the situation.
Another source told the publication that it appears to be very difficult to dissuade DOJ antitrust Chief Jonathan Kanter to not block the deal.
The latest update comes after a Bloomberg report on Tuesday that DOJ remains internally divided on whether to sue to stop the combination. DOJ officials are said to be divided internally whether to file a lawsuit to challenge the combination, given the relative size of Alaska Air (ALK) and Hawaiian (HA) compared to the US's four major airlines.
One source familiar with the DOJ's thinking told CTFN that the regulator isn't "divided" over the deal, but is "wrestling" with a hard decision.
The airlines disclosed on Tuesday that they agreed with the DOJ to extend the review period for their planned deal until Aug 15. The DOJ's deadline was originally Aug. 5.
The extension comes after some media outlets last week said that the DOJ was preparing to sue to block the deal. The reports sent Hawaiian Holdings (HA) sinking 12% last Wednesday. One report indicated that the regulator is also looking at alternatives, such as a divestiture package.
08-01-2024, 04:31 PM
#1147
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Probably July 2026 until we see the MAX 10. Likely Boeing won't be back up to full production for a couple more years. At the earliest it won't be until 2026 until we can aquire enough aircraft to justify our current staffing. We are about to go into a JCBA during a poor period for pilot hiring. Primarily due to Boeing but it doesn't change the probability of a good outcome for a JCBA.
It may be years from now but we will likely see downgrades and possibly furloughs due to the state of the industry, staffing and being in a poor position to negotiate a JCBA. That comes after a long period of stagnation of QOL and seniority movement from January of this year until well into 2026.
It may be years from now but we will likely see downgrades and possibly furloughs due to the state of the industry, staffing and being in a poor position to negotiate a JCBA. That comes after a long period of stagnation of QOL and seniority movement from January of this year until well into 2026.
08-01-2024, 08:32 PM
#1148
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Posts: 681
Aircraft delivery issues are the driving force behind a lot of this. Unless the market really turns, I don't see furloughs and downgrades. We are getting open time and premium trip offerings multiple times a day. Not hiring will fix any overstaffing issues as aircraft come online. The thing that sucks is that there will be very little hiring. In fact I bet we don't hire in 2025. For sure we don't hire in the first half.
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