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07-30-2024, 07:33 PM

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That could very well be. They're trying to extract concessions at this point so they can at least tell the progressives that they didn't let big bad business get away scot free.

This isn't quite like B6/NK, which would have eliminated a huge chunk of ULCC capacity to the detriment of the poors.

Also the election could place any such lawsuit in doubt.

More time to ensure the right lobbyists are paid to ensure the right future campaign donations are secured and the right concessions are achieved to maintain some sort of political face.

07-30-2024, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by PineappleXpres

And in the vast majority of merger history and the pound of flesh is forgotten and incalculable with respect the gained benefit of the surviving party that exists to today. Alaska will benefit. Pilot Careers aside. Speaking to the business.

why would an alask pilot even want one world besides pass benefits?

I'm in the 1700-2100 seniority at AS and would likley lose the most. However, I want to compete for the next 20+ years I have left.

07-30-2024, 09:52 PM

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I think what’s going to happen is the conservatives will block the deal until Trump gets in office.

Then we’ll see the blessing of AS/HA merger completion put into an immigration bill, along with an anti woke clause attached to it. Beards also included just to trigger the libs. Believe me.

07-31-2024, 12:09 AM

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why would an alaska pilot even want one world besides pass benefits?

I particularly don't like being in a domestic alliance. I think the revenue gained isn't worth the career expectations lost.

I'm surprised it's even legal to be honest. Alliances are nothing more than airline cartels.

07-31-2024, 02:19 AM

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I'm in the 1700-2100 seniority at AS and would likley lose the most. However, I want to compete for the next 20+ years I have left.

What kinda percentage is that?

07-31-2024, 06:24 AM

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What kinda percentage is that?

50-60% ish.

07-31-2024, 06:51 AM

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I think we have 3450 pilots.

07-31-2024, 09:19 AM

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I'm in the 1700-2100 seniority at AS and would likley lose the most. However, I want to compete for the next 20+ years I have left.

What are you losing?

I don't understand this argument. AS growth is snail pace AT BEST. What would you be gaining at AS with "organic growth" versus merging?

07-31-2024, 10:41 AM

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What are you losing?

I don't understand this argument. AS growth is snail pace AT BEST. What would you be gaining at AS with "organic growth" versus merging?

Probably assuming that if the merger is approved, the resulting SIL could further exacerbate the existing lack of movement and growth at Alaska.

07-31-2024, 11:15 AM

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Probably assuming that if the merger is approved, the resulting SIL could further exacerbate the existing lack of movement and growth at Alaska.

I hear that, but you are also effectively doubling the growth plan. I don't see why this as buying Hawaiian being the growth. Hawaiian has a growth plan and so does Alaska. Alaska is in complete and total stagnation right now, where as Hawiian is running bids. I think 737 deliveries are a large problem right now but with the shortage being effectively over, AS is going back to it's typical growth of darn near next to nothing, if anyting at all, for the foreseeable future but adding an airline that also has growth plans at least doubles our potential for growth. We all know the AS "tightening of the ship" that will happen but I don't see how this will somehow be devastating to any AS pilot.

It almost feels like we are assuming Hawaiian is going to push every AS pilot out of their seat and base and while there will be some changes I am sure, I just don't see things really changing drastically.