Cruz5350

Zero regrets in fact I was massively happy at Alaska but I also respect myself and the profession. And when it was obvious that it wasn't going to change for the better with a new contract it was time to go. Waiting to get senior to enjoy the things other pilot groups already have was fully worth walking away from. Call it a short back call it a turn it’s the same to me, time at home followed by pay is the priority.

Cruz5350

I'm not impressed by it either which is why I didn't bid it. the 717 has the same hourly rate as the Alaska 73.

Cruz5350

Brag no but only blocking 53 yes.

Jetlikespeed

2.5 years sfo 73, sfo is extremely junior at the moment

i think anyone’s crazy to say alaska has a better contract than deltas it’s the the factual truth DL has the better contract.

I think what’s not said is both right now are good jobs. Delta has a lot more protections to junior pilots that Alaska does not. But once I got off reserve and was able to bid for a decent line the quality of life here is pretty good with the new contract. I wish it was better for the junior guys as they have to suffer but once we get PBS and get rid of line bidding this place isn’t difficult flying. 1 and 2 leg days normally and hopefully we keep taking flying from Horizon to add block hours. If we keep adding these shorter flights with better block hours guys that want the one leg, trans cons or island
flying can bid those. guys that wanna come to work fly their tail off and have higher credit trips with 3 to 4 Lake days they can everyone can bid what they want.

I think what you experienced with what sounds like you had a alaska under the old contract with line bidding is atrocious when your junior. Throw in line betting with only a couple days of vacation and trying to get any days off you actually want Is a joke. It’s not so bad once you get seniority and PBS will fix the junior to more senior line bidding problems.

casue step trading is a joke only helps the top 10%.

at the end of day it’s a job every companies gonna have stupid rules that we don’t like and it’s all just different paint on an airplane things we can go home. Enjoy your off days and enjoy the life each person like to live it’s a win.

GoodJet

I think it is a really dangerous assumption to think that we A) get PBS as a function for bidding in 13 months and B) PBS rules aren't manipulated to make life miserable for when PBS is implemented.

Jetlikespeed

I would normally agree with you but the fact that it’s union controlled pairings if it was company controlled I’d 110% agree

im cautiously optimistic

GoodJet

I hope it works out but every time I hear claims about it will get better when XYZ it always seems to get worse.

ShyGuy

Just a bunch of fancy talk. You wouldn't have left if you were truly "massively happy at Alaska." You left because the big 3 offer what no one else can: highest pay, biggest equipment, and lots of upward movement sooner due to huge retirements.

Cruz5350

Ask anyone at Alaska that knows me and how much of a fan boy I was. I traded out of what most would call better trips to fly the freighter and SE because I enjoyed it that much. My reasoning was if I had to come out a minimum of 4 times a month to work I might as well enjoy what I did and I truly did. If I knew the contract was going to get the group into 17/18 day off minimums say 3 four days a month I would have stayed but it was told directly to my face that that wasn’t a reasonable expectation under the proposed scheduling changes so I did what I needed to do and left. I get that ones man trash is another man’s treasure and that everyone has different wants or needs but there should be some common ground amongst all airline pilots groups and for whatever reason that just didn’t happen during this negotiating cycle at Alaska.

Jetlikespeed

I think that’s exactly it. Everybody has different wants and needs. I was one of the classes right before Covid but luckily I grew up in the bay area getting sent to the Airbus in San Francisco wasn’t the worst in the world I was able to sit at home on short call with my parents.

As the common ground, I think we all went better for the industry I think Delta, without a doubt, set a high bar, which is excellent. In terms of pay rates at the time in September when this was proposed my seniority pay raise was about 20-23% which I believe is higher than deltas (not trying to get into a raise contest delta obviously has the higher rates) but seen that in their body captain to be making 330 K year just off base salary. Seems pretty good to me at the time. And scope and other improvementsI wanted were there.

Now looking back seeing the Delta rates I wish I was were higher but we have the snap up which we will get there hopefully by 2023 but if not, will have Delta rates by 2024, and if the union or company wants to, we can be in ballpark negotiations by the end of 2024. My family and I moved. We live in base now and getting out off the Airbus as much as I miss it going to Boeing help my QOL in sfo to be able to be holding a line that gives me weekends off.

The things I didn’t get in the contract that I told my reps I wanted were WOCL override and anything above 85 credit should pay 125% but I’ll keep fighting for that the new contract.

You kind of touch on yourself going to an airline it’s not a one size fits. All. Alaska works for me which is great and it sounds like Delta fits you the best which is also great. Everyone has different needs and requirements. If people make the decision to leave at the end of the day, they are making the best decision for them. whether or not they are going to an airline that doesn’t have the best contract, doesn’t really matter as long as the airline that works best for them. Every airline will have things that annoy people, whether stupid work rule restrictions, dumb policy’s, or some other thing it’s still a high paying career and you gotta make the dession that best for you. No matter how much random people are the internet say an airline is the best or worst it’s what works best for you or I and that’s all that really matters.

but anyway is cut E still the best for the delta assessment? (kidding kidding sarcasm)