The Alaska discount is alive and well
03-06-2023, 08:32 AM
#254
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The diff OTZ is that you don’t work under the Alaska Airlines PWA. You rep the 1%. The volumes of garbage left in the “Mandate Contract” impact the rest of us. The further you get from SEA the more you are impacted. Only 10% of pilots will benefit from all of the “self induced” disaster language found in the Mandate. The vast majority of us will not ever see 150-200% pay. We will instead be impacted by losing 5 hrs of guarantee. We won’t benefit from the improved reserve rules until after 2024 which is half way through the life of the Mandate. Kinda like the new car you bought from a dealer.. Stoked for the first month and then the realization that you kinda got screwed sets in and you are embarrassed to admit it
As the great David Cush (PBUH) told the pilots at VX (airline with the best pilot rule book in the industry With unparalleled work rules and pay) told the pilot group, “The big 3 can justify their rates because widebody flying subsidies their narrowbody rates”. We’ll see if United, and doubtfully AA and WN, can even agree on a TA in the next 6 months to put out to vote to possibly see AS snap up to $330 before September. There is no way on earth that pilot groups at the big 4 would accept anything near a pay rate near a regional feeder for AA, so the bar will continue to get raised.
03-06-2023, 09:05 AM
#255
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Terrible… Company won’t publicly admit it, but it is a significant problem that they didn’t expect. We are already starting to soften the summer schedule. Management is upset many here are not seeing the real cost of our new contract. Depending on the outcome of the new SWA contract, AS pilots will likely be the highest payed 737 pilots in the industry. Management sees our likely pay rate come 9/1/23 at $333 an hour… add the 7.5% for our anticipated PBP… which for the average CA will add roughly $30 an hour to their annual compensation and AS CA’s are making $363 an hour. THAT IS ROUGHLY 9% MORE THEN HA or B6 pilots, who virtually have No Bonus add to their hourly rate. Weird how the angry 30 say it’s all about work rules, but really only see straight hourly rate.
03-06-2023, 09:41 AM
#256
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Joined APC: Mar 2022
Posts: 739
Terrible… Company won’t publicly admit it, but it is a significant problem that they didn’t expect. We are already starting to soften the summer schedule. Management is upset many here are not seeing the real cost of our new contract. Depending on the outcome of the new SWA contract, AS pilots will likely be the highest payed 737 pilots in the industry. Management sees our likely pay rate come 9/1/23 at $333 an hour… add the 7.5% for our anticipated PBP… which for the average CA will add roughly $30 an hour to their annual compensation and AS CA’s are making $363 an hour. THAT IS ROUGHLY 9% MORE THEN HA or B6 pilots, who virtually have No Bonus add to their hourly rate. Weird how the angry 30 say it’s all about work rules, but really only see straight hourly rate.
It is too bad that so many young pilots who were likely good hires for AS have left. I don't believe that pay rates are the issue. The real issue is that management has a culture of abusing pilots that they have grown accustomed to. This is evident daily in my experience and many other pilots experience. As long as management does not attempt to correct the culture of abusing and mistreating pilots, attrition will remain a problem despite even better pay rates than you seem to tout here regularly. Pilots need to be paid correctly, which is a basic legal requirement. They also need to be treated like professionals without belittlement or abuse.
03-06-2023, 10:13 AM
#257
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Joined APC: Jul 2022
Posts: 290
I was at work TAFB for 315 hours for January. More for March. For January it was an average of 10.5 hours at work. Every day of the month. I can't trade, I can't drop and I don't get the lines I'd like to fly or days off. In April I will have been an FO at AS for over 5 years. I also haven't been paid correctly without a 5-10 hour investment in my time to correct my pay. Every month since December. My Rainmaker notes are ignored. My emails to Payroll are ignored. Thankfully I am getting some help from the Payroll Committee.
It is too bad that so many young pilots who were likely good hires for AS have left. I don't believe that pay rates are the issue. The real issue is that management has a culture of abusing pilots that they have grown accustomed to. This is evident daily in my experience and many other pilots experience. As long as management does not attempt to correct the culture of abusing and mistreating pilots, attrition will remain a problem despite even better pay rates than you seem to tout here regularly. Pilots need to be paid correctly, which is a basic legal requirement. They also need to be treated like professionals without belittlement or abuse.
It is too bad that so many young pilots who were likely good hires for AS have left. I don't believe that pay rates are the issue. The real issue is that management has a culture of abusing pilots that they have grown accustomed to. This is evident daily in my experience and many other pilots experience. As long as management does not attempt to correct the culture of abusing and mistreating pilots, attrition will remain a problem despite even better pay rates than you seem to tout here regularly. Pilots need to be paid correctly, which is a basic legal requirement. They also need to be treated like professionals without belittlement or abuse.
03-06-2023, 10:19 AM
#258
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Joined APC: Sep 2015
Posts: 107
I was at work TAFB for 315 hours for January. More for March. For January it was an average of 10.5 hours at work. Every day of the month. I can't trade, I can't drop and I don't get the lines I'd like to fly or days off. In April I will have been an FO at AS for over 5 years. I also haven't been paid correctly without a 5-10 hour investment in my time to correct my pay. Every month since December. My Rainmaker notes are ignored. My emails to Payroll are ignored. Thankfully I am getting some help from the Payroll Committee.
It is too bad that so many young pilots who were likely good hires for AS have left. I don't believe that pay rates are the issue. The real issue is that management has a culture of abusing pilots that they have grown accustomed to. This is evident daily in my experience and many other pilots experience. As long as management does not attempt to correct the culture of abusing and mistreating pilots, attrition will remain a problem despite even better pay rates than you seem to tout here regularly. Pilots need to be paid correctly, which is a basic legal requirement. They also need to be treated like professionals without belittlement or abuse.
It is too bad that so many young pilots who were likely good hires for AS have left. I don't believe that pay rates are the issue. The real issue is that management has a culture of abusing pilots that they have grown accustomed to. This is evident daily in my experience and many other pilots experience. As long as management does not attempt to correct the culture of abusing and mistreating pilots, attrition will remain a problem despite even better pay rates than you seem to tout here regularly. Pilots need to be paid correctly, which is a basic legal requirement. They also need to be treated like professionals without belittlement or abuse.
“Lighten up Francis”
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03-06-2023, 10:23 AM
#259
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Joined APC: Jul 2022
Posts: 290
Dude you only have 5 years here….? Then leave, you sound absolutely miserable. Make the change, we work for the same company and I personally don’t understand your animus with the company. Every airline had its warts, you make it sound terrible, it is not.
“Lighten up Francis”
“Lighten up Francis”
03-06-2023, 10:28 AM
#260
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Posts: 739
Meanwhile we can't staff our flying due to attrition. The summer schedule is being reduced. The training department is scrambling to cover everything and frankly it is a mess. But yes. Hurl personal insults and stomp your feet.
P.S. that isn't working
P.S. that isn't working
