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02-02-2023, 02:05 PM

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OTZeagle1

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Originally Posted by Jetlikespeed

I’ll double, no triple fairly confident that won’t happen. I think if Southwest gets a good pay rates UA will be next to follow. Then we will snap up to something close to those rates on 9/24 everyone of the 5 will have new pay rates and we will be at the same level as everyone. Then we are in ballpark negotiations, and not left behind. That’s the whole point of the clause is to not be so far behind prior to the next contract cycle. Assuming they’ll take at least a year to negotiate (ie new rates late 2025/early 2026)

I was told management wants to tie it to a 2 year extension, April 1st rate adjustments:
2023 $ 333
2024 $ 347
2025 $ 361
2026 $ 375

02-02-2023, 02:12 PM

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Cruz5350

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Was the door opened or closed though?

02-02-2023, 02:32 PM

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FL410

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FYI, anyone else see the attrition numbers? We had 27 start class in January and 22 leave in January and 7 are leaving already in Feb. This should be a top priority for the powers that be.

02-02-2023, 03:01 PM

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C340

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Originally Posted by FL410

FYI, anyone else see the attrition numbers? We had 27 start class in January and 22 leave in January and 7 are leaving already in Feb. This should be a top priority for the powers that be.

Part 91 corporate is all I have ever known - I negotiated with my bosses directly, so excuse my ignorance on this subject. What could Alaska management do to curb the attrition and attract new pilots? For example, could they come to work Monday and say "we're now giving $XX,000 bonuses to new hires, retention bonuses for 1, 2, 3 years, etc," or would it take them a long time to get things worked out with ALPA? And, given the things they could do, what do you think would be effective?

02-02-2023, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by C340

They need more domiciles (jfk comes to mind) and an industry leading contract that pays better than the big 3 narrow body rates.

02-02-2023, 03:08 PM

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ExperimentalAB

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They need more domiciles and an industry leading contract that pays better than the big 3 narrow body rates.

Precisely. Not having widebodies means they have to be top of the pack in the narrowbody world.

02-02-2023, 03:14 PM

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Jetlikespeed

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Originally Posted by FL410

FYI, anyone else see the attrition numbers? We had 27 start class in January and 22 leave in January and 7 are leaving already in Feb. This should be a top priority for the powers that be.

and they said they planned for 19 a month…they are in for a wake up call

02-02-2023, 03:15 PM

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C340

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They need more domiciles (jfk comes to mind) and an industry leading contract that pays better than the big 3 narrow body rates.

Let's say they realize this tomorrow. Realistically, how long until such changes could be in effect?

02-02-2023, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by OTZeagle1

I was told management wants to tie it to a 2 year extension, April 1st rate adjustments:
2023 $ 333
2024 $ 347
2025 $ 361
2026 $ 375

Not bad but, rates have to be DL or better. In in this climate of pilot hiring and leverage is too good to not negotiate other wins into the contract. Can’t add 2 more need to be at the table for other sections as well